[ANSTHRLD] Help please - Conflict check for "Gyronny sable and Or, a wolf rampant holding a key azure"

[Luciana Caterina di Borghese]

The wolf is indeed maintaining the key. When speaking to Emma about it, I
understood her to say that the key would not qualify as a CD. To be honest,
my impression was that the key would not be a CD, regardless of the size, so
it is a relatively small key at the moment.

Thank you for the confirmation

Luciana


On 4/17/07, Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Robert Wade <logiosophia at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Luciana Caterina di Borghese <dolce.luce at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I have a client who is interested in a device. The background is
> > > Gyronny, probably of 10 segments, in Sable and Or. There will be
> > > an azure wolf rampant, holding a key in it's paw, that will be
> > > either azure or gules.
> > >
> > > I believe that the blazon would be: "Gyronny sable and Or, a wolf
> > > rampant holding a key azure (gules)".
>
> The SCA don't use "holding".  The term we use depends on the size of
> the object (because it affects how we count CDs).
>
> * If the key is of equivalent visual weight to the wolf -- that is,
>   one insanely big key -- then it's "sustaining", and the key and the
>   wolf are both charges in the primary charge group.
>
> * If it's a little key, then it's "maintaining" and doesn't count in
>   difference.
>
> Also, the default (as Tostig noted) is eight slices to a gyronny.  If
> you order an extra large, you have to specify it: here, "Gyronny of
> ten".  I don't know of period examples, although I would be surprised
> if it were not registerable.  Ten slices has no difference from eight.
>
> Assuming that the key is maintained:
>
> > Wolfram von N¨¹rnberg
> > Or, a wolf rampant azure maintaining an archepiscopal staff sable
> > within an orle of wolf's pawprints azure.
> > 1 CD for the field, 1 CD for an orle of wolf's pawprints azure(?)
> > *Not certain*
> >
> >  Addition/removal of a peripheral/secondary charge group is a CD.
>
> and pawprints are (SCA-compatible) charges.
>
> > John Paul Blacklore
> > Gyronny of ten sable and Or, a lion rampant to sinister regardant within
> an
> > orle argent.
> > 1 CD for the lion. 1 CD for the orle argent(?)
> > *Not sure*
> >
> > Clear by the same reason as Wolfram above.
>
> Yup.
>
> Danielis de Lindecolina
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