[ANSTHRLD] Heralds Digest, Vol 12, Issue 5

Robert Wade logiosophia at yahoo.com
Wed Apr 4 20:26:03 PDT 2007


Some research results and suggestions to consider.  I apologize for the lack of illustrations:
   
  (1) "Per pale azure and bendy azure and Or"
  Since this is field only armory, it avoids the marshalling problem.  It is based on "Per pale sable and barry of six argent and sable" (Sir Will Carriage, Lord Mayor of London 1420) cited by Papworth from Glover's Ordinary.  This was the only instance I found searching through "Per Chevron ...", "Per Fess ...", "Quarterly ..." (Although I did note "Quarterly ermine and paly of six argent and sable -- Coats, Cotes nd) and "Per Pale" field only armory.  Every other listing has totally different tinctures on with side of the field division.
   
  (2) "Azure, a bend downset Or"
  An illustration is in Parker's Glossary under "dancette" (I stumbled across this while looking up "demi-").  It is a fractured bend with the ends couped at the per pale line of division.  The dexter side of the bend is debased, the top of the ordinary being the per bend field division.  The sinister side of the bend is enhanced, the bottom of the ordinary being the per bend field division.  This is based on "Azure, a bend argent impaling the same" and "Azure, a bend argent impaling argent, a bend sable" (Zorke) cited by Papworth from, again, Glover's Ordinary.  Parker uses the blazon "Per pale argent and  azure, a bend downset counterchanged" (Zorke) citing the Cotton MS as the source of his blazon and a Harl. MS as the source of the illustration [The two comprise Glover's Ordinary].  I was unable to find any other similar armory in Papworth.
   
  These are the two closest variations to the original emblazon I could document.  If they are unacceptable or have conflict problems, Lady Emma's "per pale enhanced chevron" seems the next best solution.
   
  Tostig

Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com> wrote:
    ....
  There may be differences of opinion coming up, and perhaps some
brainstorming of possible notions. I don't advocate raising a fuss in
the group at the moment, but perhaps people might want to hold off for
a little while on new stuff.

Emma was clever with her suggestion of extending it into a chevron.
An ordinary "per pale argent and Or" with a solid background is not
done much in the SCA but wouldn't surprise me in period (that is, I
like it). For it being too high for a normal chevron, perhaps there
could be two. (I considered a bend, but if there were two bends, I
would expect the pair to terminate on either side of the corner.)

Hedwig:
> The person who asked me to check this called the yellow "slash" (for
> lack of a definitive term) a demi bendelet. But what I've read so
> far a bendelt is just a narrower version of a bend, not a bend cut
> in half.

It's true that a bendlet is a narrower bend. "Demi-" is a heraldic
prefix, but I only recall seeing it for a demi-beast (a demi-lion, for
example).

> Robin's suggestion would seem like a good idea but that smacks of
> marshaling to me and I know that won't pass.

What was his suggestion, "Per pale, azure and azure a bend Or"? It's
not a per pale division that makes it returnable marshalling: it's
that we prohibit one of the halves to appear to be independent armory,
which is enumerated as being more than one charge or an ordinary that
terminates at the edges of the field section.

> They want to add the Ansteorran star to the "slash"

That's not a problem per se, but it would be nice to see if something
period and agreeable can be devised before they put in more work.

Danyell de Lincoln
-- 
Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com
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