[ANSTHRLD] strange question

[radei at moscowmail.com]

I beg your pardon my lord.  But accourding to "Dubrett's: Peerage of England", Bar sinister or baton are not exclusivly a mark of bastard birth.  There are many examples that include low born that recieve Barony's in later life IE: Miles De Cogan, First Baron de Coggan.  Bar sinister appears in the first generation, but later generations removed the bar and eventally became Just "Lozengy, Sable and Gules".

Bastards that inherate did not usually have bar sinister in thier arms, Mundanely my father is a baster, but he is not required to carry a mark of any kind on his device, I know, I registered it with DuBrett's.  

I do not have current access to a copy of DuBrett's but I had reviewed it for many years researching my mundane line.  Several of which do appear, as recent as 3 generations ago, and as old as 1024 to my memory, I would have to check that earliest date.  It is not a primary line so not in my recent memory.


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ravenrux at cox.net
> To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,  Inc." <heralds at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] strange question
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:17:16 -0400
> 
> 
> Yes, it's called a baton, and in English heraldry is a mark of 
> bastardy.  In SCA heraldry, however, it has no such connotations.
> 
> Masamune
> ---- Hedwig <honeyfrog at gmail.com> wrote:
> Heraldic questions of the day:
> 
> Can you have a bend couped?
> 
> For instance:
> Azure a bend couped Or charged with a compass star sable
> 
> So that would be a blue field with a gold bend only 1/2 way across the field
> charged with a black compass star.
> 
> 
> Also, IF you can do that with a bend does it matter where on the field it
> issues from?  (closer to the top or bottom than the middle for instance)
> 
> Am I just in need of more tea and someone can point me to pictures or text
> to answer my questions?  Is the world really flat? (HA HA)
> 
> 
> 
> Hedwig
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