[ANSTHRLD] baronial service awards

Wendel Bordelon rwbordelon at gmail.com
Wed May 9 16:05:39 PDT 2007

On 5/9/07, Jay Rudin <rudin at ev1.net> wrote:
> > In my opinion, it does not matter if membership is automatically given
> > because someone takes on the baronial responsiblity or not, it must be
> > publicly stated.
> It *was* publicly stated -- by the Principal Herald (Aureliane Rioghail) and
> the Crown (Lloyd and Joselyn).  But they knew that they were merely echoing
> the established traditions, that baronies in fief have always carried
> membership in the service orders without explicit mention, just as a Star of
> Merit always carries a Grant of Arms
> In 1991, I tried to get it explicitly part of the ceremony.  I tried to
> explicitly give Oaks to my successors, Thorkell and Kalida.  But I lost that
> battle.  Queen Rowan would not waste time on that, since it was automatic
> that they would have it a few minutes later anyway.

I failed to be clear what the "it" in my original opinion was
refering.  I meant that the induction to the order needs to be
announced in court.  After all, isn't that one of the rules about
awards, they have to be read into law?


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