[ANSTHRLD] Baronial investiture ceremonies
Jay Rudin
rudin at ev1.net
Fri Jan 25 05:29:47 PST 2008
Daniel de Lincoln wrote:
> Summary: it used to be considered automatic and it-goes-without-saying
> that an incoming baron and baroness got the baronial service order at
> their investiture. At least one Board ruling was cited that an award
> has to be announced in public.
It was always announced just as publicly as the Grant with a White Scarf or
the AoA with a baronial service Order. Which is to say, if it's automatic
with something else, then it doesn't need to be spoken.
> (I did mention that I dislike awards with qualifications being given
> automatically, but nobody asked me.)
I mentioned that to the Crown (King Lloyd and Queen Joselyn, in 1979).
They said that the qualifications for having the baronial service order
were less than, and a subset of, the qualifications for being B&B. It's
not automatic; the Crown considered them for it.
>> It's in the BSO constitutions, at least the ones that exist and were
>> actually run by the Crown, which requirement IS in Corpora.
>
> The same Corpora that says that baronies can't give armigerous awards
> ... yes, yes, they run it by the king and queen first, but does a king
> and queen ever say "no"?
It's very rare, but yes, it has happened that the Crown refused to allow a
baron and baroness to give the baronial service order. Specifically, to
avoid all this nonsense, I wanted to give Oaks to Thorkell and Kalida right
befoe they stepped up, and the Crown said, "no", because what was the
point? They'd have it automatically in a few minutes anyway.
Robin of Gilwell / Jay Rudin
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