[ANSTHRLD] badge question

[Jennifer Smith]

I remember that one, because shortly afterwards my husband (then Chandranath
Mitra, now Reis ap Tudor but he hasn't registered that yet, bad bad)
registered in August 2003 "(Fieldless) An escutcheon Or." :)

(That registration also provoked the precedent that "signal flags are not
armory" and are not protected.)

-Emma 

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> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 4:09 PM
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> Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] badge question
> 
> That's right...I knew there was something like that written.  
> Thanks for 
> pulling it up for me!
> 
> Alden
> 
> Jennifer Smith wrote:
> > Alden wrote:
> >   
> >> Out of curiosity, with the badge form being square now, would 
> >> "Vert, a 
> >> cross argent" conflict with "[Fieldless] On a pomme a cross 
> >> argent", or 
> >> "[Fieldless] On a billet vert a cross argent"?
> >>     
> >
> > No. For two reasons: the first is that a fielded badge can 
> be displayed as
> > any shape, be that round, square, rectangular, diamond, etc 
> etc, while the
> > two proposed fieldless badges would be constrained by their 
> primary charge
> > (round for the pomme, rectangular for the billet). The 
> second reason is that
> > the two proposed fieldless badges can't be registered under current
> > precedent, as those shapes are valid shapes of armorial display:
> >
> >   
> > We do not register fieldless badges which appear to be 
> independent forms of
> > armorial display. Charges such as lozenges, billets, and 
> roundels are all
> > both standard heraldic charges and "shield shapes" for 
> armorial display. ...
> >
> > Therefore, a "shield shape" which is also a standard 
> heraldic charge will be
> > acceptable as a fieldless badge in a plain tincture, as 
> long as the tincture
> > is not one of the plain tinctures that is protected armory 
> in the SCA. This
> > explicitly overturns the precedent "We do not normally 
> register fieldless
> > badges consisting only of forms of armorial display, such 
> as roundels,
> > lozenges and delfs in plain tinctures, since in use the 
> shape does not
> > appear to be a charge, but rather the field itself" (LoAR 
> January 1998).
> >
> > Note that this does not change our long-standing policy 
> about such "shield
> > shape" charges used in fieldless badges if the tincture is 
> not plain (thus,
> > divided or with a field treatment), or if the charge is 
> itself charged. Such
> > armory will continue to be returned for the appearance of 
> an independent
> > form of armorial display.[Solveig Throndardottir, 04/02, 
> A-Æthelmearc]
> >   
> >
> > -Emma
> >
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