[ANSTHRLD] A question on behalf of a client

Alden Drake alden_drake at sbcglobal.net
Fri Jul 17 12:36:31 PDT 2009

The only thing I'm aware of that founding B&Bs of a barony get is the right to display on their Arms a canton bearing the arms of the barony in perpetuity[1] and the title "Baron/ess X" instead of "Baron/ess of X".  For example, His Excellency Sir Simmonn is the 9th Count of Ansteorra, 3rd Viscount of Ansteorra, and Baron Bordermarch.  (I believe the alternate style of Lord Bordermarch applies as well).

[1] I thougth I remember somewhere that current landed B&Bs can add the canton, but must remove it when they step down.


From: Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com>
To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <heralds at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 2:20:26 PM
Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] A question on behalf of a client

On Fri, 17 Jul 2009, Alasdair MacEogan <alasdair at bmhanson.net> wrote:
> kevinkeary at aol.com wrote:
>>  Can a LANDED baron do so, and then retain it after stepping down?
> A qualified yes. :-D A a general rule when landed barons step down
> they get a court barony and i believe the inception date is back
> dated to when they stepped up.  at least I have never seen a
> stepping down landed that did NOT get one if they were not already a
> baron.

In principle, it is not automatic, and I can imagine cases when the
king and queen would decide not to give a court barony to
stepping-down landed.  Mind you, you'd want to watch the massive
political meltdown from a distance, but it _could_ happen.
(The groups that were nuked in Pug's tenure: were any of them
baronies?  If so, did the last landeds get court baronies?)

But unless Star has changed or will change policy on this matter, I
believe that a landed noble gets no heraldic perqs due to being a
landed noble, except perhaps the "founding baron" perq (I'd have to
care enough to look up any wording).

Daniel de Linccolne
Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com
Heralds mailing list
Heralds at lists.ansteorra.org

More information about the Heralds mailing list