[ANSTHRLD] constitutions and marching (was: achievements for barons)

Kihe Blackeagle kihebard at hotmail.com
Fri Jul 17 15:13:26 PDT 2009

Implied extension of the side note / formal Order of March, in gentle opposition to Blanc Gryffon's comment about not marching...:

     By observation, if the whole, *entire* Kingdom present for an occasion _is_ marching for some reason (such as down the road to a Grand Court, frex), this implies that all others follow Rank 19 as impliedRank 20 -- no precedence-bearing award or prior recognition.

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> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:42:35 -0700
> From: serena1570 at yahoo.com
> To: heralds at lists.ansteorra.org
> Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] constitutions and marching (was: achievements for barons)
> A side note to this conversation:
> Etienne wrote:
> "A review of the Award Constitutions shows a Court Barony listed with the Grant Orders in the Table of Contents but the actual constitution entry is missing in the document online."
> Yep, that's right, Society-wide Orders and titles are NOT listed in the Ansteorran Constitutions document. I felt no need to replicate Corpora.
> And, for the record and in answer to a question that Daniel asked months ago while ALL THREE top precedence heralds in the kingdom who could have answered his question were out of kingdom at Gulf Wars....
> The Order of March for the Kingdom of Ansteorra was most recently signed by Seamus and Karlanna in their second reign, 1987. The proper Order of March is NOT the same thing that has been being passed off as the Order of March for the past 10-15 years. What has been being passed off as the Order of March is more properly called "A Guide to Codes and Abbreviations Used in the Ansteorran Order of Precedence", as it includes non-armigerous awards and orders, which, since they by constitution have no precedence, don't, well, **march**.
> Herewith the proper Order of March for the Kingdom of Ansteorra as it has stood since the second reign of Seamus and Karlanna and the tenure of Adelicia as Star Principal Herald, substantively unchanged since first set down by Lloyd and Jocelyn in their first reign and the tenure of Aureliane as Star Principal Herald (with explanations and updated information in [brackets]):
> 01 Visiting Monarchs
> 02 Ansteorran Crown Prince and Crown Princess
> 03 Visiting Crown Princes and Crown Princesses
> 04 Territorial Princes and Princesses
> 05 Dukes and Duchesses
> 06 Counts and Countesses
> 07 Viscounts and Viscountesses
> 08 Ansteorran Barons & Baronesses in Fief
> 09 Visiting Barons and Baronesses in Fief
> 10 Peers [Patents of Arms]
> 11 Court Barons and Court Baronesses
> 12 Ansteorran Grant Orders
> 13 All Other Grants of Rank [e.g., Grants of Arms; includes all foreign awards and orders carrying Grants of Arms]
> 14 Ansteorran Kingdom Grace Awards [King's Gauntlet & Queen's Glove]
> 15 Award of the Sable Thistle and Award of the Sable Crane [and Award of the Sable Talon; e.g., Kingdom of Ansteorra Awards for Arts, Kingdom Service, and Combat
> 16 Principality of Ansteorra Orders and Awards carrying Awards of Arms 
> 17 Baronial Service Orders carrying Awards of Arms
> 18 Award of the Sable Comet [and Award of the Compass Rose; e.g., Ansteorran Awards for Service to Shires and Children
> 19 All Other Awards of Arms [includes all foreign awards and orders carrying Awards of Arms]
> "By our hands this 23rd day of August, a.s. XXII, 1987 A.D.
> Seamus Rex Ansteorra
> Karlanna Regina Ansteorra
> Adelicia, Star Principal Herald"
> --Serena, Blanc Gryffon

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