[ANSTHRLD] achievements for barons (was: A question on behalf of a client)

[kevinkeary at aol.com]

Thank you and everyone else for your answers to my questions. I should 
learn to just ask one person instead of the list. Or if I had looked at 
the registration form, I could have saved us all a load of trouble. 
And, for the record, my hypothetical potential client is not a past or 
present landed noble of Northkeep. I just wanted to make sure that what 
(s)he wanted to do was valid, and it is, and I'm sorry I was too dense 
to confirm it on my own.

Anyway, to answer YOUR questions:

>> The minimal example given in the examples for a noble is a county. . 
.
>Given in the examples where?
http://herald.ansteorra.org/achievements.php
but I obviously misread or misremembered it. Now, plain as day it 
mentions 'former landed barony' and 'viscounty' and does NOT mention 
county. I apologize for that too.

>> . . .On the list of 'awards and honors in Ansteorra', court baronies 
are listed with the grants and landed baronies with the nobles.
>Again, what list?
http://herald.ansteorra.org/OP/awards_table.php

And I am surprised, but understand, the consensus that a landed barony 
-- an explicitly temporary ennobling with the court barony to follow 
NOT guaranteed -- actually confers LESS rights to registering 
achievement elements, at least in good taste. Surprised, and 
surprisingly pleased.

-----Original Message-----
From: Coblaith Muimnech <Coblaith at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:22 pm
Subject: [ANSTHRLD] achieveme
nts for barons (was: A question on behalf 
of a client)


Kevin wrote: 
> As far as the rules for what one may register in an achievement go, > 
does a court barony qualify one as a Grant or as a Noble? 
 
A noble. 
 
> The minimal example given in the examples for a noble is a county. . 
. 
 
Given in the examples where? Page 6 of the Achievement Guidelines 
<http://herald.ansteorra.org/publications.php> offers an example that 
says, in part, "A few years after the White Scarf, Don Iago was made a 
Court Baron. With this noble title, His Excellency received not only a 
coronet and a beautiful charter in court, but is now entitled to a new 
achievement scroll with arms, baronial coronet, helm, livery, crest, 
and supporters." 
 
> . . .On the list of 'awards and honors in Ansteorra', court > 
baronies are listed with the grants and landed baronies with the > 
nobles. 
 
Again, what list? That's not the way it is on the "Honors of Ansteorra" 
page on the College of Heralds' site 
<http://herald.ansteorra.org/honors/>. "Barony in Fief" and "Court 
Barony" are both under "Nobility". 
 
> . . .can a court baron register an achievement with a simple > 
baronial coronet on the helm? 
 
Yes. (That's explicit in the quote from the Achievement Guidelines I 
gave above.) 
 
> Can a LANDED baron do so, and then retain it after st
epping down? 
 
An example on page 7 of the Achievement Guidelines says, "Two years 
later, he was invested as the Baron of Namron, and is entitled to the 
special charter of a Baron in Fief; however, he is not yet entitled to 
a new achievement scroll." Since one is entitled to a new achievement 
scroll each time one becomes entitled to and registers a new 
achievement, that a barony in fief doesn't carry achievements with it 
is implicit in this statement. 
 
Coblaith Muimnech 
<mailto:Coblaith at sbcglobal.net> 
<http://coblaith.net> 
 
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