[ANSTHRLD] a couple questions

[Mike Wyvill]

I remember it well from my British History: 54 BC to 1485 AD class all those years ago at the University of Maryland. Nothing like listening to a Professor with a Scottish Brogue and a mouthful of popcorn lecturing first thing Monday morning!

 

And his test questions!

 

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> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:14:27 -0700
> From: alden_drake at sbcglobal.net
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> Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] a couple questions
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> SHERIFF - Old English. "A sheriff is etymologically a 'shire-reeve,' that is a 'county official.' The term was compounded in the old English period from 'scir,' ancestor of modern English 'shire,' and 'gerefa,' 'local official, a word based on 'rof' 'assembly' which survives as the historical term 'reeve.' It was used for the 'monarch's representative in a county.'" From the "Dictionary of Word Origins: the Histories of More Than 8,000 English-Language Words" by John Ayto (Arcade Publishing, New York, 1990). 
> In the SCA, the Reeve/Exchequer/Treasurer is the money handler, not the local official.  It would make sense though, to have non baronial groups have Sheriffs instead of Seneschals, since Seneschals served in a noble's household, and shires don't have a landed noble.
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> And mentioning Shires begs the question:
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> Why isn't the seneschal of such a group a Sheriff?
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> > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:24:13 -0700
> > From: alden_drake at sbcglobal.net
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> > They are separate and for business purposes independantly operated, but still tied to the sheltering barony.  You can't be a canton without a sheltering barony - those are shires.  If the canton is ever disolved, the associated zip codes and membership numbers revert back to the barony (I believe without issue), whereas shires/provinces would require the Kingdom Seneschal to reallocate zip codes to nearby groups.
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> > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 9:51:32 AM
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> > Sure, but IS a canton 'contained within' its barony? I understood that once it was past incipient status it had to have its own separate bank account, and before that its membership tally was no longer included within the barony's, so the barony had to have sufficient membership to remain a barony WITHOUT the canton before the canton could even become incipient. Besides being geographically distinct/distinguishable.
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> > Am I wrong about that? I don't care much -- I still carry Chemin Noir in Northkeep's OP, for instance.
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> > Sent: Wed, Jul 22, 2009 8:45 am
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> > On Wed, 22 Jul 2009, rbculver at sbcglobal.net <heralds at lists.ansteorra.org> wrote:
> > > I thought that some of the early Norman and Plantagenet kings were
> > > listed in such fashion: King of England, Duke of Normandy, County of
> > > Anjou, etc.
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> > Thank you for pointing out a period example of use of multiple landed
> > titles.  But in distinction from the SCA "Baron of X, Lord of Y"
> > (where Y is a canton contained within X), the Plantagenets' England,
> > Normandy, Anjou, Maine, Aquitaine, Ireland, et cetera, did not
> > overlap.
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