[ANSTHRLD] royal badges?

Alden Drake alden_drake at sbcglobal.net
Thu Jul 23 11:54:08 PDT 2009

No, the Crown & Coronet do not have registered badges in line with the registered badges used by officers.  What appears in the Black Star (and on the Ansteorran Kingdom Officers' webpage: http://www.ansteorra.org/officers.php) are graphics created for visual similarity/balance.

IMHO, the closest thing to being the Crown's "badge" would be the Kingdom Ensign (or populace badge): Or, a mullet of five greater and five lesser points within a bordure sable.


From: "kevinkeary at aol.com" <kevinkeary at aol.com>
To: heralds at lists.ansteorra.org
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:45:55 AM
Subject: [ANSTHRLD] royal badges?

I wa trying to get answers for my client yesterday, and she kept talking about the 'symbols' designating their majesties and their highnesses in the Black Star, which I didn't have in front of me. I checked the O&A, and found nothing registered other than the Arms we discussed yesterday. I even said at one point there were no badges, and no one on this list corrected me.

I went home and looked. Sure enough, there are 'badges' there that are basically subsets of the arms of the sovereign/kingdom and of the prince, with the orle and the demi-sun removed. These are black-and-white renderings, so I have to assume the tinctures are the same. They ARE color and metal where the Arms are color and metal.

Do these badges really exist, or are they being arrogated in exactly the same way lesser branches, Northkeep included, are in the habit of arrogating badges by using items from their arms but not the complete arms. Northkeep, for instance uses "Gules, on a saltire argent a tower sable" on the tabards of their Baronial Guard. This is not a badge we own, and it conflicts with "Gules, a saltire argent", protected non-SCA arms. We are working now on coming up with something that is both acceptable to the Guard and registerable.

Even if these are not legal badges, their use in the Black Star I think makes them recognizeable to the majority of the populace as symbols for Ansteorra's royalty, and that is the major concern of my client. So, I intend to change the advice I gave her yesterday and tell her she can use them.

Unless there are objections?
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