[ANSTHRLD] royal badges?

Star Principal Herald star at ansteorra.org
Thu Jul 23 12:56:38 PDT 2009

As has been pointed out, the designs-on-a-roundel in the Black Star are not
registered badges.  This is somewhat confusing, as the rest of the
designs-on-a-roundel *are* registered badges of those offices. I remind
everyone that the Kingdom Chronicler is not a herald, and no doubt uses what
graphics have been passed along from prior tenures. I'll speak with her
about replacing those with more appropriate graphics.

In the meantime, I would talk with your client more to see what her overall
design is. If it's a design that is allusive of the four regions and the
crown, then the designs in the Black Star are fine. If it's a design that
incorporates other registered armory (branches or the like), then I would
counsel against using the designs in the Black Star, in favor of using the
actual registered armory for TRM and TRH.

For reference, attached (if we have this working properly now) are the
registered armory for the Crown Prince and Crown Princess of Ansteorra.
 While we have no intention of releasing these devices, I would strongly
prefer to see them relegated to "ancient/historical" status, and instead
increase the use of the King/Queen devices with a red label across the top
for TRH, as may be seen on http://coronet.ansteorra.org/.

-Emma, Star

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:45 AM, <kevinkeary at aol.com> wrote:
> I wa trying to get answers for my client yesterday, and she kept talking
> about the 'symbols' designating their majesties and their highnesses in
> Black Star, which I didn't have in front of me. I checked the O&A, and
> nothing registered other than the Arms we discussed yesterday. I even said
> at one point there were no badges, and no one on this list corrected me.
> I went home and looked. Sure enough, there are 'badges' there that are
> basically subsets of the arms of the sovereign/kingdom and of the prince,
> with the orle and the demi-sun removed. These are black-and-white
> renderings, so I have to assume the tinctures are the same. They ARE color
> and metal where the Arms are color and metal.
> Do these badges really exist, or are they being arrogated in exactly the
> same way lesser branches, Northkeep included, are in the habit of
> badges by using items from their arms but not the complete arms.
> for instance uses "Gules, on a saltire argent a tower sable" on the
> of their Baronial Guard. This is not a badge we own, and it conflicts with
> "Gules, a saltire argent", protected non-SCA arms. We are working now on
> coming up with something that is both acceptable to the Guard and
> registerable.
> Even if these are not legal badges, their use in the Black Star I think
> makes them recognizeable to the majority of the populace as symbols for
> Ansteorra's royalty, and that is the major concern of my client. So, I
> intend to change the advice I gave her yesterday and tell her she can use
> them.
> Unless there are objections?
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