[ANSTHRLD] royal badges?

kevinkeary at aol.com kevinkeary at aol.com
Thu Jul 23 14:28:19 PDT 2009


Very cool. Thank you, Emma. I will act on your advice.


-----Original Message-----
From: Star Principal Herald <star at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:56 pm
Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] royal badges?



As has been pointed out, the designs-on-a-roundel in the Black Star are 
not
registered badges.  This is somewhat confusing, as the rest of the
designs-on-a-roundel *are* registered badges of those offices. I remind
everyone that the Kingdom Chronicler is not a herald, and no doubt uses 
what
graphics have been passed along from prior tenures. I'll speak with her
about replacing those with more appropriate graphics.

In the meantime, I would talk with your client more to see what her 
overall
design is. If it's a design that is allusive of the four regions and the
crown, then the designs in the Black Star are fine. If it's a design 
that
incorporates other registered armory (branches or the like), then I 
would
counsel against using the designs in the Black Star, in favor of using 
the
actual registered armory for TRM and TRH.

For reference, attached (if we have this working properly now) are the
registered armory for the Crown Prince and Crown Princess of Ansteorra.
 While we have no intention of releasing these devices, I would strongly
prefer to see them relegated to "ancient/historical" status, and instead
increase the use of the King/Queen devices with a red label across the 
top
for TRH, as may be seen on http://coronet.ansteorra.org/.

-Emma, Star


On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:45 AM, <kevinkeary at aol.com> wrote:
> I wa trying to get answers for my client yesterday, and she kept 
talking
> about the 'symbols' designating their majesties and their highnesses 
in
the
> Black Star, which I didn't have in front of me. I checked the O&A, and
found
> nothing registered other than the Arms we discussed yesterday. I even 
said
> at one point there were no badges, and no one on this list corrected 
me.
>
> I went home and looked. Sure enough, there are 'badges' there that are
> basically subsets of the arms of the sovereign/kingdom and of the 
prince,
> with the orle and the demi-sun removed. These are black-and-white
> renderings, so I have to assume the tinctures are the same. They ARE 
color
> and metal where the Arms are color and metal.
>
> Do these badges really exist, or are they being arrogated in exactly 
the
> same way lesser branches, Northkeep included, are in the habit of
arrogating
> badges by using items from their arms but not the complete arms.
Northkeep,
> for instance uses "Gules, on a saltire argent a tower sable" on the
tabards
> of their Baronial Guard. This is not a badge we own, and it conflicts 
with
> "Gules, a saltire argent", protected non-SCA arms. We are working now 
on
> coming up with something that is both acceptable to the Guard and
> registerable.
>
> Even if these are not legal badges, their use in the Black Star I 
think
> makes them recognizeable to the majority of the populace as symbols 
for
> Ansteorra's royalty, and that is the major concern of my client. So, I
> intend to change the advice I gave her yesterday and tell her she can 
use
> them.
>
> Unless there are objections?
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