[ANSTHRLD] royal badges?

kevinkeary at aol.com kevinkeary at aol.com
Thu Jul 23 14:28:19 PDT 2009

Very cool. Thank you, Emma. I will act on your advice.

-----Original Message-----
From: Star Principal Herald <star at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:56 pm
Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] royal badges?

As has been pointed out, the designs-on-a-roundel in the Black Star are 
registered badges.  This is somewhat confusing, as the rest of the
designs-on-a-roundel *are* registered badges of those offices. I remind
everyone that the Kingdom Chronicler is not a herald, and no doubt uses 
graphics have been passed along from prior tenures. I'll speak with her
about replacing those with more appropriate graphics.

In the meantime, I would talk with your client more to see what her 
design is. If it's a design that is allusive of the four regions and the
crown, then the designs in the Black Star are fine. If it's a design 
incorporates other registered armory (branches or the like), then I 
counsel against using the designs in the Black Star, in favor of using 
actual registered armory for TRM and TRH.

For reference, attached (if we have this working properly now) are the
registered armory for the Crown Prince and Crown Princess of Ansteorra.
 While we have no intention of releasing these devices, I would strongly
prefer to see them relegated to "ancient/historical" status, and instead
increase the use of the King/Queen devices with a red label across the 
for TRH, as may be seen on http://coronet.ansteorra.org/.

-Emma, Star

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:45 AM, <kevinkeary at aol.com> wrote:
> I wa trying to get answers for my client yesterday, and she kept 
> about the 'symbols' designating their majesties and their highnesses 
> Black Star, which I didn't have in front of me. I checked the O&A, and
> nothing registered other than the Arms we discussed yesterday. I even 
> at one point there were no badges, and no one on this list corrected 
> I went home and looked. Sure enough, there are 'badges' there that are
> basically subsets of the arms of the sovereign/kingdom and of the 
> with the orle and the demi-sun removed. These are black-and-white
> renderings, so I have to assume the tinctures are the same. They ARE 
> and metal where the Arms are color and metal.
> Do these badges really exist, or are they being arrogated in exactly 
> same way lesser branches, Northkeep included, are in the habit of
> badges by using items from their arms but not the complete arms.
> for instance uses "Gules, on a saltire argent a tower sable" on the
> of their Baronial Guard. This is not a badge we own, and it conflicts 
> "Gules, a saltire argent", protected non-SCA arms. We are working now 
> coming up with something that is both acceptable to the Guard and
> registerable.
> Even if these are not legal badges, their use in the Black Star I 
> makes them recognizeable to the majority of the populace as symbols 
> Ansteorra's royalty, and that is the major concern of my client. So, I
> intend to change the advice I gave her yesterday and tell her she can 
> them.
> Unless there are objections?
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