[ANSTHRLD] Pull the Files - Coronet Arms

[Robert Fitzmorgan]

    That was a photo of Simonn and Tessa entering the final Principality
Court at Jonathan's Coronation.      For more information about that court
and other photos you can go to:

http://historian.ansteorra.org/wiki/index.php?title=Coronation_of_Jonathan_I


Robert Fitzmorgan
Kingdom Historian, and sometime Herald.


On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Darin Herndon <darin.herndon at chk.com>wrote:

> My wife, Lady Rosamund, found a picture with the old Crown Prince arms
> being used.  That got me thinking and I  started doing a little more
> research.
>
> First, check out the O and A entries for these "Coronet Arms".  (Pardon the
> HTML if it posts that way.)
>
>  *   Ansteorra, Crown Prince of<
> http://oanda.sca.org:80/oanda_name.cgi?p=Ansteorra%2c%20Crown%20Prince%20of
> >
>    *   Either the name or the following device associated it (or both) were
> registered in August of 1978<
> http://oanda.sca.org:80/oanda_date.cgi?y1=1978&m1=August&y2=1978&m2=August&kA=checked&kC=checked&kD=checked&kE=checked&kG=checked&kH=checked&kK=checked&kL=checked&kM=checked&kN=checked&kO=checked&kQ=checked&kR=checked&kS=checked&kT=checked&kW=checked&kX=checked&km=checked&kn=checked&kw=checked
> >:
> Or<http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=Or>, a compass-star<
> http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=compass+star> of ten sable<
> http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=sable>, interlacing a laurel wreath
> vert<http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=vert> ribboned gules<
> http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=gules>within a tressure<
> http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=tressure> sable<
> http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=sable>, issuant<
> http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=issuant> from base<
> http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=base> and overall a sun in glory
> gules<http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=gules>.
>  *   Ansteorra, Crown Princess of<
> http://oanda.sca.org:80/oanda_name.cgi?p=Ansteorra%2c%20Crown%20Princess%20of
> >
>    *   Either the name or the following device associated it (or both) were
> registered in August of 1978<
> http://oanda.sca.org:80/oanda_date.cgi?y1=1978&m1=August&y2=1978&m2=August&kA=checked&kC=checked&kD=checked&kE=checked&kG=checked&kH=checked&kK=checked&kL=checked&kM=checked&kN=checked&kO=checked&kQ=checked&kR=checked&kS=checked&kT=checked&kW=checked&kX=checked&km=checked&kn=checked&kw=checked
> >:
> Or<http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=Or>, a mullet<
> http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=mullet> of five greater and five
> lesser points<http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=point> sable<
> http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=sable> within and interlaced by a
> chaplet vert<http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=vert> of five roses<
> http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=rose> argent<
> http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=argent>, seeded Or<
> http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=Or>, within a tressure<
> http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=tressure> sable<
> http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=sable>, overall issuant<
> http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=issuant> from base<
> http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=base> a demi-sun gules<
> http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=gules>.
>
> Anyone else catch the dates?  Those were registered before Simonn and Tessa
> stepped up as 3rd and last Prince and Princess of the Principality of
> Ansteorra.
>
> Now consider the following link to a photo on the kingdom historian's
> website.  That sure looks like the "Crown Prince's arms" in a photo
> attributed to Simonn and Tessa's time as Territorial Prince and Princess.
>
> http://historian.ansteorra.org/index.php?view=article&catid=38%3Acrowns&id=53%3Asimonn-of-amber-isle-and-tessa-of-the-gardens&option=com_content&Itemid=53
>
> I think these are the arms used by our Territorial Coronets and they got
> adjusted in some later records updates or registration catch-ups and maybe
> "mistakenly assigned" as Crown Heirs arms without catching that they
> actually pre-dated the kingdom.
>
> The forms Emma posted on the list had the tops cut off.  Is it possible to
> get the headers for those?
>
> Anyone have an email for Simonn or Tessa that can ask?  Maybe there was a
> deliberate intent to use the Territorial Arms for the Heirs after we became
> a kingdom?
>
> Etienne
>
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