[ANSTHRLD] Court heraldry question.

Darin Herndon darin.herndon at chk.com
Mon Jun 29 07:09:03 PDT 2009


It has been awhile since I observed one herald handling both baronial and royal court (which I think is a good thing since it means more heralds are getting an opportunity to herald).  But when I did, I observed the herald doing the ascending people and groups that were in the barony followed by the ascending people and Ansteorra at the royal level.  Not saying that is right, just something I observed.

When there are royals and baronials both present, the bookend method that Alden described below is the one I most commonly have used.  Royal opens first and contains the baronial court(s) and baronial(s) close within the royal court.  Again, not saying that is an absolute, but it always worked well for me.  For multi-baronials, I have always opened the hosting barony first since they have precedence in their own lands or at their own event (or just after the Crown if royalty is present) followed by whatever other baronies are opening court in order of the precedence of the group's becoming a barony.  And then closed in reverse order.

Etienne

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The sequence I learned, which I think makes pretty good sense, is the first one you list.  When I was a baronial herald, I was taught it this way:

First, the Royal Herald opens the Crown's Court.  The Crown will have some words.
Second, the Baronial Herald opens the Baronial Court.  This court is then done within the Royal Court.
Third, Court business happens (both Crown business and Baronial Business).
Fourth, the Baronial Court is closed (Vivat Baron; vivat Baroness; vivat Canton (if it's a canton event), vivat Barony.
Fifth, the Royal Court is closed (Vivat Princeps (if there is one); vivat Principessa (if there is one); vivat Rex; vivat Regina; vivat Ansteorra).

Alden




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From: Cisco Cividanes <engtrktwo at gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:43:57 PM
Subject: [ANSTHRLD] Court heraldry question.

Greetings,

I was wondering if I could get some clarification from the court
heralds out there.I am going over my court heraldry notes, and
remembered that I have seen baronial courts closed in a couple of
different ways.

The protocol I personally use for the order of my "vivats" is this;

Baron
Baroness
Canon (where applicable)
Barony
Prince (where applicable)
princess (where applicable)
King
Queen
Ansteorra

I have, however, heard it grouped togeather with all the people first,
and then all the places, and one time I think I heard that totally
reversed, but with "Ansteorra" still last.
What's the correct way, or is there even a singular correct way?

Lord Ivo Blackhawk
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