[ANSTHRLD] Conflict Check - Vert, on a chevron argent three triskeles sable

[Bob Wade]

In conflict checks I woould suggest using the SCA Ordinary - Master Index at http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/index.html rather than the Complex/Armory Search forms.  With simple armory such as "Vert, on a chevron argent three triskeles sable", the conflict checking isn't too bad, you only need to look armory registered under the primary charge.  (Things like "Vert, on a pale argent, three triskeles sable." are clear by RfS X2)

"Vert, a chevron argent" would conflict, but it isn't listed under "Chevron - 1- Uncharged - Plain Line - Argent".  Anything else in this category, such as "Vert, a chevron argent between/overall/etc ...", is at lest 2 CD clear.
 
"Chevron - 1 - Charged - Complex Line"  yields "Vert, on a chevron engailed argent three rooks contourny sable" (Ogmundr hrókr, Device, March 2009).  I see 1 CD for the complex line and a 2nd CD for change to type of tertiary under RfS X4j(ii).
 
"Vert, on a chevron Or/ermine/etc three triskeles sable" would conflict, but there's nothing registered under "Chevron 1 - Charged - Plain Line - Or/Fur/etc".  Similarly "Vert, on a chevron inverted argent three triskeles sable" would conflict, but there's nothing under "Chevron inverted - 1 - Charged".
 
The category needing closest scrutiny is "Chevron 1 - Charged - Plain Line - Argent".  "Vert, on a chevron argent five roses gules" would conflict since there can only be 1 CD for changes to a tertiary charge group.  Fortunately, everything there has a secondary charge group for a 2nd CD except one.

Consider versus "Vert, on a chevron throughout argent three holly leaves vert." (Klaus Winter, Device, Jan 2001).   I see 1 CD for changes to the tertiary charge group, but was unsure if there's a 2nd CD between a "chevron" and a "chevron throughout".  Had to check the Precedents for the answer.  The latest I found was "[a chevron throughout raguly on the upper edge] Conflict with ... Azure, a chevron embattled argent. There is a CD for the addition of the secondaries, but nothing for the difference between a chevron embattled and a chevron raguly on the upper edge nor for the difference between a chevron and a chevron throughout. [Thome le Lent, 05/00, R-Drachenwald] "
 
Sorry,
Tostig

--- On Sat, 11/28/09, John Atkinson <johnmatkinson at gmail.com> wrote:


From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson at gmail.com>
Subject: [ANSTHRLD] Conflict Check - Vert, on a chevron argent three triskeles sable
To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <heralds at lists.ansteorra.org>
Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 7:08 PM


OK, so I have a client who wants Vert, on a chevron argent three
triskeles sable.

I figured I'd come up with at least some close calls, if not some
outright conflicts.  Here's the closest I've got.  What am I
overlooking?

Ívarr hausakljúfr

    * The following device associated with this name was registered in
September of 2004 (via Meridies):
      Per pale azure and sable, on a pale cotised argent, three triskeles sable.

CD for change to the field, CD for change to the ordinary, clear.

Onnenacreca filia Dunocati

    * The following device associated with this name was registered in
December of 2008 (via the Middle):
      Per chevron vert and azure, a chevron and in base a triskele Or.

CD change to field, CD for change in tincture to ordinary. . . at
least two other CDs that I can tell.

Steinn Vikingsson

    * The following device associated with this name was registered in
March of 2006 (via An Tir):
      Azure, on a chevron Or three triskeles azure, in base a coronet
within an annulet of chain Or.

Change to field tincture, change to ordinary tincture, no secondary charge.

Erika Bjornsdottir

    * The following augmentation associated with this name was
registered in June of 2004 (via Trimaris):
      Azure, a chevron inverted between a mullet and a bear passant
Or, and as an augmentation, on the chevron inverted seven triskeles
azure.

Not even close.  At least four or five.

Ioannes Dalassenos
-- 
"Thousands of Sarmatians, Thousands of Franks, we've slain them again
and again.  We're looking for thousands of Persians."
--Vita Aureliani
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