[ANSTHRLD] Consult help

Brian O'hUilliam brianoftheloch at gmail.com
Wed Oct 7 15:58:37 PDT 2009

I would say forget the the grapevine and let him add that as an "artistic
rendering" because:
1) I have no idea how you'd blazon that accurately in the SCA rules, and
2) The grapevine would puit it over the recommended number of items on a

My count:
Agent (color of field)
Bordure (sable)
Sable (color of bordure and lion)
A semy of fluer-de-lis (argent)
Tower (azure)
Azure (color of tower)
Lion (sable)

That's 7 right there and, as I recall, the College draws the l.ines at 7
items (tinctures, charges, divisions, etc).

With grapevine that gives you:
Purpure (color of grapes)
Vert (color of vine)

Plus it may get returned for the obvious color on color of the green &
purple vine on the blue tower.

Good luck,

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Joe McGrew <oscagne at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd like to ask help on a consultation.
> The client is requesting the name Anton de Latour.  He is also
> requesting the following description for a device:
> "The field is argent. It has a sable bordure with an argent  fleur de
> lis pattern.  in the center there is a tower azure (the tower has an
> open door, and three shaded verticle rectangular windows) on top of
> the tower there is a sable lion passant guardant. Under the tower
> there is a grapevine in its natural colorings that extends to both
> sides of the tower that don’t quite reach the lion."
> He provided the following sketch:
> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3478/3991430558_08d27e67a5_o.jpg
> I have attempted to blazon it, but would like some confirmation: Argent,
> on a tower azure charged with a grapevine proper a lion passant
> guardant sable all within a bordure sable semee-de-lis argent.
> I found a Saint Gabriel report that says that Anton is the 16th Cen.
> German version of Antonius.  I have seen in the surname de le Tour
> passed, or the submitter says he can get documentation from a history
> of the Letour winery as a location in order to use "de Letour" as a
> descriptive.  Submitter would like the correct name form for 14th Cen.
> France, but will use his legal first name "Antonio" if a historically
> appropriate form won't work for him.
> The St. Gabriel report (1167) also mentions the name used in Wales in
> the 6thC, but mentions the forms <Antonius> or
> <Annun>.  Submitter asks if this 6thC mention would be considered
> documentation for "Anton".
> Any guidance would be very appreciated.
> Gregor Mac Beathain
> Gate's Edge Pursuviant
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