[ANSTHRLD] Anton de LaTour: tower, grapevine, bordure
tmcd at panix.com
Wed Oct 7 16:23:23 PDT 2009
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009, Joe McGrew <oscagne at gmail.com> wrote:
> Subject: [ANSTHRLD] Consult help
> I'd like to ask help on a consultation.
That's one of the major purposes of the list, so by all means do so!
In future questions, please put a specific name or description into
the subject line, like
Subject: Anton de LaTour name
Subject: Anton de LaTour: tower, grapevine, bordure
or whatever. That helps people who want to refer to a particular
threadlet, instead of trying to distinguish generic subjects like
"Consult help" versus "Help, please" versus ...
> The client is requesting the name Anton de Latour. He is also
> requesting the following description for a device:
> "The field is argent. It has a sable bordure with an argent fleur de
> lis pattern. in the center there is a tower azure (the tower has an
> open door, and three shaded verticle rectangular windows) on top of
> the tower there is a sable lion passant guardant. Under the tower
> there is a grapevine in its natural colorings that extends to both
> sides of the tower that dont quite reach the lion."
> He provided the following sketch:
Um, I seem to be missing something, because I cannot see a grapevine
in there anywhere.
> I have attempted to blazon it, but would like some confirmation:
> Argent, on a tower azure charged with a grapevine proper a lion
> passant guardant sable all within a bordure sable semee-de-lis
"On" = "charged with". The CoA Glossary of Terms at
<http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/coagloss.html#appendix> notes that
"above" and "upon" are ambiguous, but suggests "atop" as being
The doors and windows on the tower are artistic details that are not
blazoned. If I can't see a grapevine, I can't blazon it, so
Argent, atop a tower azure a lion passant guardant sable, all within a
bordure sable semy-de-lis argent.
Tinctures: argent + azure + sable
Charges: tower + lion + bordure + fleur-de-lys
Rule-of-thumb complexity: 7. As noted in another reply to your note,
if there were a grapevine proper, it would add vert + brown at least,
blowing past the rule-of-thumb limit and probably causing a return.
(I think actual grapes would be present only if you specified
"fructed", but I don't have a Pict Dict handy to check.)
Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com
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