[ANSTHRLD] Any problems with public commentary?

Bob Wade logiosophia at yahoo.com
Wed Sep 30 16:25:33 PDT 2009

ACE (fka HCS) has definitely provided the means to let submittors and/or their consulting heralds reduce the internal return rate.  Before then, commentary was either typewritten or put on a floppy and mailed.  That process resulted in longer Decision Meetings since the Colated Commentary wasn't seen until then (unless we also communicated by phone, one commentry group didn't know the issues another was raising).  On the other hand, those Decision Meetings were much better attended since [1] it was the only chance a submittor had to participate and [2] announcing when and where the Meeting was being held occurred several times during the Event.
The only negative impact I've seen from ACE/HCS is a social one.  Before it, some Branches had monthly mini-revels to discuss the latest ILoI.  They were fun and educational.  I miss them.  (On the other hand, it was off-hand comments made during those mini-revels that from time to time upset someone who wasn't there to hear the conversation in context).  Today the only commentary group on ACE is headed by Green Anchor Herald.
Nontheless, I believe public commentary like ACE is more efficient and educational than anything else the CoH has tried in the past.  I hope OSCAR will follow suit.

--- On Wed, 9/30/09, Jennifer Smith <jds at randomgang.com> wrote:

From: Jennifer Smith <jds at randomgang.com>
Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Any problems with public commentary?
To: "'Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'" <heralds at lists.ansteorra.org>
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 2:20 PM

Daniel wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009, Alasdair MacEogan <alasdair at bmhanson.net> wrote:
> > There have also been enough instances where there have been issues
> > with the submission that we have been able to work through with the
> > submitter being aware of of the commentary.  We may have gotten
> > redraws before the decision meeting or the submitter may have been
> > able to voice a preference to a particular name change, etc if there
> > are options.
> I'd like more details from people who have seen cases.  Is it because
> (1) Asterisk sees how the commentary is trending on an issue and
>      contacts the submitter?
> (2) A commenter sees the issue &c?
> (3) A herald who is not a commenter sees the issue &c?
> (4) The submitter themself is following the commentary on 
> their own item
>      and offers a fix or comment without prompting?
> I'm asking because I've heard cases of whoever was running the
> decision meeting saying "I'll contact the submitter to see whether
> she'll allow that change" or whatever.  That is, I've seen (1) above,
> but not heard of (2..4).

Prior to ACE (was HCS), usually it was #1, with Asterisk or Bordure making
the contact with the submitter in question, prior to the decision meeting,
or shortly after (with the decision at the meeting being "It'll be returned,
unless I get ahold of the submitter in the next three days and they agree to

Now with ACE, I'm seeing more instances of numbers 2 through 4. Most often
it's a local herald following their submissions in ACE, who is able to get
ahold of the submitter and then comment directly to answer questions or to
arrange for that necessary redraw/recolor, etc. Most of the #4 types also
happen to be heralds, or have shown some interest in it (and yes they will
be assimilated into the collective...)


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