[ANSTHRLD] Conflict Check

[kevinkeary at aol.com]

But note that 'sejant' did NOT give a CD from 'erect', which should be the same as 'statant' (especially since it's drawing a sword with SOMETHING.


So, Magnus's earlier possible conflict (the device of Robert Peregrine de Marécage) probably IS a conflict.


-----Original Message-----
From: doug bell <magnus77840 at hotmail.com>
To: heralds at lists.ansteorra.org
Sent: Tue, Aug 3, 2010 2:44 pm
Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Conflict Check



 correct and excellent observation and it required a letter of permission to 
onflict 
etween a lion-dragon and a cockatrice.

    
   
   
   
[June 1989 LoAR, A-Caid] Thurstan de Barri. Device. Quarterly vert and argent, a 
inged lion-dragon 
ejant to sinister Or. He has permission to conflict with the badge of Brann 
organ Dunmore of 
alloway ("A cockatrice erect to sinister Or drawing a sword from a scabbard 
roper."). 
his would be improved if the head of the lion did not lie entirely on the 
rgent portion 
f the field, making it more difficult to identify. 
A change in orientation is usually enough for a CD to clear
he badge with Mooneschadowe.
I doubt Laurel will overturn such a precedent unless new
vidence has surfaced that these monsters were not
onsidered different in period.
So I concur. It looks clear.
Magnus
> 
 Possible conflcts are:
 
 
    - Mooneschadowe, Shire
 of<http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_name.cgi?p=Mooneschadowe%2c%20Shire%20of>
       - The following badge associated with this name was registered in July
       of 1991 (via
 Ansteorra)<http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_date.cgi?y1=1991&m1=July&y2=1991&m2=July&kX=checked>
       :
       (Fieldless <http://oanda.sca.org/glossary.cgi?p=fieldless>) A
 lion<http://oanda.sca.org/glossary.cgi?p=lion>-dragon
       statant contourny
 <http://oanda.sca.org/glossary.cgi?p=contourny>
 Or<http://oanda.sca.org/glossary.cgi?p=Or>
       .
 
            1 CD for fieldless vs Per fess gules/sable.
            I suspect that Laurel would hold a lion-dragon in conflict with a
 Cockatrice,
            and if that is the case, the question becomes whether contourny
 is enough to clear the conflict.
 
 
        I was able to find the following precedent from Jaelle's tenure as
 Laurel:
 
 
 **
 
 [a *dragon* vs a *cockatrice*] We do not normally give a difference for
 changing the head only of a beast or monster. However, since they were
 considered different monsters in period, and since the head is not obscured
 in any way, we are willing to grant it the necessary CD to make it clear of
 these possible conflicts. (Wolfger von Lausfenburg, 11/97 p. 10)
 
 So - unless Laurel chooses to overturn that precedent, the device should be
 clear.
 
 Hopefully someone will come along behind me and check my work?
 
 
 Yours,
 
 
 Jayme
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