[ANSTHRLD] Herald's Point Question

[Emily Minier]

As the local herald, when I ask someone to make announcements, I give them a
green tabard with the crossed horns....

If, for no other reason, it conveys a sort of "This person has the right to
bellow through your camp whether you like it or not" authority.  They do not
wear the Baronial Arms as those announcements are the words of the event
steward or tourney organizers...and VERY SELDOM are they acting as the voice
of Their Excellencies...

And, to keep this going, when I'm heralding a local event, I also wear the
green with gold horns until and unless Their Excellencies wish to open
court.  If I'm calling list or whatnot, assisting with submissions, or
whatever else I do to fill my days with heraldic activities, unless Their
Excellencies say "We're conduction Baronial Business", then I don't put on
the Baronial Arms.

On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Brian O'hUilliam
<brianoftheloch at gmail.com>wrote:

> My comments are throughout.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com> wrote:
>
> >  SNIP
> >> "Simple messenger" is one of the defining jobs of a herald.
> >>
> > I agree with Master Daniel on this point.  I was only trying to make a
> distinction between THE designated herald for a group/patron and a herald
> that is just making an announcement.
>
>
> >
> > In an ideal SCA, each tourney entrant really should have their own
> > herald (well-paid, of course) who should wear their lord/lady's
> > tabard.  Providing site heralds is something of a compromise and
> > courtesy, rather like water-bearers.
> >
>
> Again, I agree.  I enjoy high persona tournaments like Lysts
> at Castleton where fighters are supposed to supply their own heralds, but I
> don't think we could do that for every tourney.
>
> >
> > I'm not entirely sure that wearing a tabard in period strictly meant
> > speaking for the lord/lady.  Today, the English College of Arms
> > processes in at the State Opening of Parliament, though they make no
> > announcements.  On the other hand, they are members of the English
> > College and might in principle be called on to make announcements or
> > otherwise work in an official capacity.  I wonder if they wore their
> > tabards while making heraldic visitations?
>
>
> They may not be speaking, but they are still fulfilling a designated
> position granted, presumably, by the Queen of England.  At least that's how
> I see it.  I have stood in a Court as a Herald for Loch Soilleir at a
> Kingdom level event where we did not even open the court.  I was still
> Their
> Excellencies Herald and their voice.
> I would be interested to know if they did (or would) wear tabards during
> their heraldic visitations.  However, I must say that I have no knowledge
> of
> the English (or any other modern) CoA, so I defer to someone with more
> knowledge than I.
>
>
> >
> > I am inclined to think that it's fine for list heralds (even if
> > visiting from outside) to wear a tabard with the arms of the group,
> > preferable to a tabard with the CoA badge or no tabard at all (ceteris
> > paribus and if no problems with heat).  In particular, I don't see it
> > as an abuse or usurpation.  This may be an emotional reaction, or a
> > simple desire to splendor that is at least more realistic.  It might
> > be justified as saying that it's plausible for deputies for a herald
> > to wear the same arms of the herald (as pro tempore members of the
> > Kindergarden of Heralds of the Steppes, as it were).
>
>
> I wouldn't say that it is an abuse or usurpation, I just don't think it
> would be most appropriate.  Again, sometimes the SCA, as the sub-culture it
> has become, develops it's own traditions, SCAisms as I mentioned earlier,
> such as heralds wearing the crossed trumpets.  Is it period?  Absolutely
> not.  Would it be MORE period for list heralds to wear local group arms?
> Quite possibly.  Would it be most appropriate?  I don't think so.
>
> I think there are valid arguments on both sides.  Mater Daniel and I fall
> on
> different sides.  It will be interesting to see what comes of this, if
> anything actually changes.
>
> I would also note that I have seen Crown s from other Kingdoms other
> Kingdoms, such as the West, use the green tabards for all of their heralds
> announcing lists.  I wonder why this is not common in Ansteorra.  Is it the
> heat?  That people do not like the green tabards?  Or did it just never
> really "catch on" in Ansteorra?
>
>
>
> >
> > Danielis de Lindecolina
> > --
> > Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com
> >
>
>
>
> Brian O'hUilliam
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