[ANSTHRLD] conjoined within annulets (was: Eldwin's Submission II)

[kevinkeary at aol.com]

Thank you, Lady Coblaith.

Wow. The mullet is inverted, the supposed 'goat's head', in honorable arms in a Christian land.


Crash goes another myth.

Kevin the Reeducated

-----Original Message-----
From: Coblaith Muimnech <Coblaith at sbcglobal.net>
To: Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc. <heralds at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Fri, Jul 30, 2010 1:13 am
Subject: [ANSTHRLD] conjoined within annulets (was: Eldwin's Submission II)


Eldwin Nightowl wrote: 
> Purpure, a mermaid in her vanity proper, in chief a mullet of five > points voided and interlaced within and conjoined to an annulet Or. 
> 
> You can see it at http://eldwin.loveshade.org/images/ms_device.jpg 
 
Kevin the Irritated mentioned Wreath's statement in the cover letter to the March, 2009 LoAR <http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2009/03/09-03cl.html>: 
 
> A widget within an annulet will continue to be considered a primary > widget and a secondary annulet, or a primary annulet and secondary > widget, when those charges are the only charges on the field. Which > of the two charges is primary depends, as always, on the emblazon. 
> 
> When both are present in a design as part of a primary charge > group, or where they would be expected to be a secondary charge, > the widget and annulet will both be considered part of the same group. 
> 
> These answers do not depend on the types of charges in question. 
 
and then commented: 
> Can period examples of pentacles being considered single, whole > charges and not a charge group be produced? If so, Lauel may be > convinced to overturn this ruling for the specific case of voided > and interlaced five-pointed mullets conjoined to a surrounding > annulet. 
 
I've been keeping my eye out for voided-and-interlaced stars in period heraldry for several months now, and have looked at a *lot* of emblazons in that time. I've found exactly one <http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/bsb00018706/image_526>. There's no annulet involved. 
 
I've also been looking for charges within and conjoined to annulets, and have found none of those (though I've seen a number of examples of charges within single or concentric annulets that weren't conjoined to them). 
 
Coblaith Muimnech 
<mailto:Coblaith at sbcglobal.net> 
<http://coblaith.net> 
 
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