[ANSTHRLD] Conflicting with a non player.

[Duncan Hepburn]

Robert, I am assuming that this is regarding specifically your query about
the proposed arms of Antonio de la Tour, which you posted a picture of last
month, and which were in conflict with Anne Louise of Blue Castle. My wife
and I have been in contact with Her Excellency Anne Louise regarding this,
and she was shown a picture (that you posted a link to on this list).

Anne-Louise was baroness of the Steppes back in the 1980s, and was indeed
inactive for many years between then and now. Her arms, however, are
recognized still by members of our populace. She was most recently seen,
however, at Steppes Warlord in May, and I suspect she will be seen at events
annually or semi-annually.

I have several points here:

First, that letters to conflict are possible, they just take time.

Second, the person who's arms you are taking over/conflicting with may be
someone prominent in SCA history. How would it look if a new person happened
to take on the arms of Duke Inman or Sir Riccardo because they are inactive
or deceased?

Third is that one just never knows when an inactive person will reappear. If
Antonio had been able to assume arms in conflict with Baroness Anne Louise,
what confusion (or other feelings) would occur if they met at an event?

Because of these points I believe there should be no change to the "shelf
life" on names and arms.

Back to your submittor's request specifically: Anne Louise is a very
reasonable and responsible person, and now that she has seen a picture of
the proposed conflict, I am certain she will respond to the request.


Duncan

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Darnell Daniels <dmage121 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> My good heralds,
>
> I know that there is no shelf life on name and devices, but what happens
> when we
> have a submitter who has a device that conflicts and makes every effort to
> get
> in touch with the conflicting gentile, only to find that the person is no
> longer
> active in the SCA? Is there some way that we can document or some process
> where
> we can place that persons name and device in an inactive status for a time
> where
> it will be released after a predetermined time of inactivity on the
> inactive
> list? I think that it would make life easier in the long run if the process
> ran
> as follows:
>
> 1. An inquiry is made and it is found that the person is no longer active.
> 2. An inquiry is sent to the person asking if they would like to release
> their
> name and device (response time 1 month).
>
> 3. If there is a response, and it is so wished the name and device are
> immediately released, or a permission to conflict can then be attained.
>
> 4. If there is no response the name is placed in an "Inactive" status for a
> set
> time (say 3 to 6 months). This gives the holder of the name and device
> ample
> time to respond to periodic inquiries.
> 5. After the time period has lapsed the name and device are placed in a
> "Deceased" status. This designates that the PERSONA, not the person, is
> diseased
> and the name and device may now be in conflict with another.
>
> 6. The new device must still be different from the "Deceased" device, but
> with a
> less stringent "CD" criteria.
> 7. Names must also differ, but can be similar.
>
>   My intent in this is not to penalize those that are inactive because of
> various reasons. I am trying to target those that have no contact with the
> SCA
> at all, i.e. they have left the game entirely and have no desire to play
> anymore. I await the various responses.
>
> For the Shire!
> Robert of Coleford
> Herald, Shire of Gate's Edge
>
>
>
>
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