[ANSTHRLD] Clearing a Conflict

[Joseph Percer]

Ah... I fell victim to not clearly reading the first email. I thought
he was asking about charging the blade of the halberd with a mullet,
and not
the field directly. Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa.

Thanks for catching that Daniel,

Jayme

On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 9:18 PM,  <tmcd at panix.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Oct 2010, Joseph Percer <jpercer at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 Wolfgang wrote:
>> > Greetings,
>> >
>> > My Device submission was recently "kicked back" by Laurel for the
>> > following reason:
>> >
>> > Wolfgang von Sachsenhausen. Device. Per pale gules and sable, two
>> > halberds in saltire argent.
>> > This device conflicts with the device of ******, Sable, two
>> > doublebitted axes in saltire argent. There is a CD for the field
>> > but no CD is granted between different styles of axe head
>
> It's commendable to respect privacy, but in this case, since it's a
> publicly Webbed document, you don't have to redact the name.
> Katrine Keathe.
>
>> > If I do something as simple as adding a mark of difference, such
>> > as a Mullet Argent to the Device, will that be enough to give the
>> > second CD and get the Device to pass?
>
> My immediate reaction is "good instinct!".  In period, they used both
> 5-pointed stars (more common in Britain) and 6-pointed stars (more
> common on the Continent).  Your choice.
>
>> Herr Wolfgang,
>>
>> RfS X4i gives 1 clear difference for addition of charges on charges
>> (tertiary charges). Note that you can only derive 1 CD from a change
>> to a tertiary. That should clear you of Sable, two doublebitted axes
>> in saltire argent.
>
> That's true, but (as you noted) an argent mullet could not go on an
> argent halberd.  I suspect the idea is to put the mullet on the field
> instead of on an axehead.  That is also a difference.  Without the
> limitation of being on an axhead, it could also be drawn larger,
> providing more visual difference.  Also, the mullet was not uncommon
> as a mark of difference in period and was often or usually on the
> field, usually in dexter chief (more or less precluded by the bendwise
> halberd) or in chief.
>
> I have not conflict-checked such a design, though.
>
>> You could also look into the possibility of adding a peripheral
>> ordinary such as a bordure or an orle.
>
> Those are fairly common in the SCA to clear a conflict, so in general
> I prefer to advise other things because
> - there are other period choices
> - these are sort of banal, frankly
> - since it's a standard SCA thing, there's more of a chance of
>  conflict
>
> If there is a problem with mullets, there were other common signs of
> difference, though I think much more common in England than the
> Continent: a crescent, a ring (annulet), a fleur-de-lys, various
> crosses, ... There are lots of possibilities.
>
> Danielis Lincolnia
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Joseph M. Percer, AAS, LP