[ANSTHRLD] Blazon and Device help: Argent chape ploye ermine

[Bob Wade]

The stag's head is less common than arrows in SCA Heraldry, so making it the primary charge should be easier to resolve conflict than using arrows as the primary charge.  (I have a personal bias against the use of co-primaries - it was a necessary Tudor gimmick to register items pre-Modest Proposal)
 
Searching the Master Index of the Online SCA Ordinary
http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/index.html
shows the following registrations under 'Head-Beast-Deer'
http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=HEAD%2dBEAST%2cDEER
 
On an ermine field:
 
"Ermine, a moose's head cabossed proper, a gore sinister counter-ermine." (Erik Norton of Helsfjord, Device, November 1992)
 
"Ermine, a stag's head erased between three roses sable." (Aislynn of Amberwood, Device, July 1984)
 
Deer Head (As primary charge) with arrows (I used CNTRL+F 'arrow'):
 
"Per bend sinister purpure and vert, a stag's head caboshed and a sheaf of arrows argent." (Alexander Stuart of Dunvegan, Device, November 1996)
 
"Sable, a stag's head erased and on a chief rayonny argent an arrow point to dexter sable." (Lachlann Faol-lonn o Lochlon, Device, September 1984)
 
"Vert, a stag's head cabossed, between its antlers two arrows inverted in saltire argent, a bordure embattled Or." (Kingdom of the Outlands [for the Archer General of the Outlands], Badge, March 1995)
 
"Vert, in pale a stringless lyre argent fretted with an arrow fesswise reversed and a stag's head cabossed Or." (Lazarus Artifex, Device, June 1991)
 
"Vert, on a bend sinister cotised between two sheaves of arrows Or a stag's head erased affronty vert." (Cian mac Cellacháin hUí Dublaich, Device, January 2010)

If the submitter wants only a single sheaf of arrows, IMO the Outlands Badge is closest to period style.  Consider "Ermine, a stag's head cabossed between its antlers a sheaf of arrows gules".  Azure should have sufficient contrast as long as the ermine spots are placed carefully.
 
Having three sheaves of arrows as secondaries is better style still (either between or in chief).  Cross-checking  under 'Arrow - 4 or More'
http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=ARROW%3a4%20or%20more
showed only the following with a head as a primary charge:
 
"Or, a dragon's head erased gules between three pairs of arrows inverted in saltire sable between flaunches gules." (Rónán de Bhál, Device, April 2004)
 
Tostig
--- On Thu, 10/21/10, Darnell Daniels <dmage121 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Darnell Daniels <dmage121 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Blazon and Device help: Argent chape ploye ermine
To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <heralds at lists.ansteorra.org>
Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 10:36 AM


Please give your suggestion. This is a second attempt at a returned device. The 
original was "Azure ermine or, a stag trippant". The submitter now wants four 
major elements; ermine, sheaf of arrows, stag's head cabossed, and no conflicts. 





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From: Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com>
To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." 
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Sent: Thu, October 21, 2010 10:26:29 AM
Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Blazon and Device help: Argent chape ploye ermine

The picture is
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs022.snc4/33485_1541393107429_1612997228_1278728_5295867_n.jpg


Alasdair wrote:
> Also I do not believe that "in chief" is necessary on this instance
> either as 1) as i understand it a chap{e'} ploy{e'} cannot be
> charged (it it is then it will be blazoned as a chevron throughout
> ploy{e'}. 2) can't have argent charges on an ermine field.

On Thu, 21 Oct 2010, Darnell Daniels <dmage121 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Would I then need to drop the sheaf and stag's head down a bit since
> they are not "in chief"?

We register the emblazon (the picture), not the blazon (the words).
We adjust the words to suit the picture.  If it can't be blazoned
accurately and consistently, it's returned for not being reproducable
and/or blazonable.

A per chevron field, like per fess, per pale, or per bend [sinister],
should divide the field roughly in half.  On this depiction, the
ermine is maybe a third.  If you move the dividing line up to fix
that, the charges are likely to be in the correct positions and may
even have to shrink a little.

By the way, any interest in period-style armory?  This appears
registerable if there's no conflict, but I like to ask in case people
have a preference.

Danielis de Lincolia
-- Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com
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