[ANSTHRLD] Device question (please bare with me)

Bob Wade logiosophia at yahoo.com
Wed Apr 20 16:39:33 PDT 2011

In (Western European) heraldry, flames are an essential part of the definition of a phoenix (PicDic 2nd ed and Parker http://www.heraldsnet.org/saitou/parker/Jpglossp.htm#Phoenix )
The SCA default posture is "Rising from flames, wings displayed" http://heraldry.sca.org/coagloss.html#default and I didn't see any registrations in another posture http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=MONSTER%2dPHOENIX  Further, as you noted that no registration blazon "armed".  The talons of the phoenix are on the lower half obscured by the flames it is issuing from.  Where did you get a drawing of what the bottom half of a phoenix looks like?
Without the flames the monster becomes just a bird.  The emblazon struck me as a raptor in the striking posture, so I assumed it was a falcon.

--- On Wed, 4/20/11, Charles Armitage <charlesarmitage at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Charles Armitage <charlesarmitage at yahoo.com>
Subject: [ANSTHRLD] Device question (please bare with me)
To: "heralds at lists.ansteorra.org" <heralds at lists.ansteorra.org>
Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 4:04 PM

I would like to first thank anyone taking the time to read this! :)

I have been going over my device on facebook lol and it was suggested that I should send this to the heralds for review / enlightenment.

Basically I want to use the following but had some questions:

Sable a Phoenix rampant gules armed rising (wings displayed and addorsed) 

The phoenix would be outlined in gold but not real sure how to say that....

Question one: I'm not sure rampant is needed if I say armed or if rampant can be used to describe a Phoenix.

Question two: normally you see Phoenix rising from ash/flame, can it be just rising, as in flight?

Question three: I have looked and do not see many devices with Phoenix on them, that say armed, meaning to have talons showing, is it possible to? Are there rule against it?

I will attempt to attach a pic of my shield but I'm not sure the list will allow the photo...

Thanks much!!

Ld Kylan Ulfgierrson mka Charles Armitage 
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