[ANSTHRLD] Conflict Check: Quarterly, Cross & Anchors
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Thu Jan 20 08:00:35 PST 2011
> Greetings Good Heralds All & Daniel de Lincoln,
> It doesn't affect anything, but standard SCA College of Arms practice
> puts a comma after the field and usually spells out numbers.
> "Quarterly sable and gules, a cross between in bend two anchors
> When I fill out the form, I clean up my lazy tendencies in blazoning. But
thank you for the reminder, Evil Herald :)
> Just to be sure: as the viewer looks at it, the upper left and lower
> right quarterings are black and the other two are red, there's a white
> cross overlying the edges of the quarterings, and there are two white
> anchors each centered in the black quarters?
> I dimly recall the Pic Dic or an LoAR saying something about period
> anchors not necessarily looking like modern notions. Does this tweak
> a memory in anyone? I haven't the time at the moment to do a
> precedents dive.
> I'm not sure if that conflicts with:
>> - Marina Foscari <http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_name.cgi?p=Marina%20Foscari
>> - The following device associated with this name was registered in
>> February of 1989 (via
>> *Quarterly <http://oanda.sca.org/glossary.cgi?p=quarterly>
>> gules <http://oanda.sca.org/glossary.cgi?p=gules>, a
>> cross<http://oanda.sca.org/glossary.cgi?p=cross>between in
>> bend <http://oanda.sca.org/glossary.cgi?p=in+bend> two gondola prows
>> reversed <http://oanda.sca.org/glossary.cgi?p=reversed>, all within a
>> bordure <http://oanda.sca.org/glossary.cgi?p=bordure>
> I am reminded why I dislike the default of glossary links.
> Marina Foscari
> The following device associated with this name was registered in
> February of 1989 (via Caid):
> "Quarterly sable and gules, a cross between in bend two gondola prows
> reversed, all within a bordure argent."
> Do the gondola prows count as a CD from the anchors?
> Rules for Submission X.4.e under
> e. Type Changes - Significantly changing the type of any group of
> charges placed directly on the field, including strewn charges or
> charges overall, is one clear difference.
> ... Types of charges considered to be separate in period, for
> example a lion and an heraldic tyger, will be considered
> different. A charge not used in period armory will be considered
> different in type if its shape in normal depiction is
> significantly different. ...
> I doubt that gondola prows were used in period, so I doubt that the
> period test would apply, so the visual comparison is likely the
> applicable test. Would you say that they look significantly different
> from anchors? I would.
> Doesn't the bordure count as well, if I remember correctly?
> X.4.b. Addition of Charges on the Field - Adding or removing any
> group of charges placed directly on the field, including strewn
> charges, is one clear difference.
> Danihel de Lindocolina
> Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com
Thank you so much!
Yours in Service,
~Jillian Saint Andre, OSTB
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