[ANSTHRLD] Conflict check Red hen

Vyolante Oporto vyolante at gmail.com
Mon Jan 24 17:09:36 PST 2011


Alright, with your input, and i think maybe just walking away from it and
coming back to it later, I think I understand.
Thanks Guys!
Vy

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Joseph Percer <jpercer at gmail.com> wrote:

> Also consider the following from the 10/08 LoAR (A-East):
>
> Roland de Endeweard. Household badge for House of the Two Loons. Per
> bend sinister wavy azure and argent, a loon naiant to sinister and a
> loon naiant counterchanged.
>
>    This is clear of the armory of Ceri of Carmarthen, Per pale azure
> and argent, two martlets respectant counterchanged. Loons are a type
> of duck, which falls into the 'swan-shaped' category of birds.
> Martlets are 'regular-shaped' birds. Both of these birds are in period
> postures: ducks are found naiant in period armory, and martlets are
> close by default. Under current precedent, from the November 2003
> Cover Letter, birds in different categories found in period postures
> are considered X.2 different.
>
>    We note that, even if they were not both in period postures, they
> fall into different categories. Birds in different categories are
> considered to be at least a CD apart. Therefore, the designs are also
> clear under X.4 with a CD for the field and a CD for the type of bird.
>
> Andrewe
>
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Joseph Percer <jpercer at gmail.com> wrote:
> > The swan may have been ruled X2 different from a Bharat Peacock (or
> > the falcon for that matter), if that's what you're referring to:
> >
> > RfS X.2 says: 2. Substantially Different Charges - Simple armory does
> > not conflict with other simple armory if the type of every primary
> > charge is substantially changed.
> >
> > (Fieldless) A Swan Gules - is simple armory. So it's either X.2 clear
> > (complete change of type from a Bharat Peacock to a swan) or you get
> > at least a CD, in which case there's a CD for the field, and 1 CD (but
> > not substantial difference to count for X.2 alone) for the type from
> > Swan / Peacock.
> >
> > btw, not really a criticism, but it makes your email more readable if
> > you strip the links for the O and A out.
> >
> > Andrewe
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Vyolante Oporto <vyolante at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Found it! Closed! (oh how things get lost in the brain....)
> >> Tatiana Heinemann<
> http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_name.cgi?p=Tatiana%20Heinemann>
> >>
> >>   - The following badge associated with this name was registered in
> >>   December of 2008 (via
> >> Trimaris)<
> http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_date.cgi?y1=2008&m1=December&y2=2008&m2=December&kT=checked
> >
> >>   :
> >>   *(Fieldless <http://oanda.sca.org/glossary.cgi?p=fieldless>) A bird
> >> gules<http://oanda.sca.org/glossary.cgi?p=gules>
> >>    bezanty <http://oanda.sca.org/glossary.cgi?p=bezanty>*
> >>
> >> one cd for fieldless and one for bezanty?
> >>  Cragmere, Shire
> >> of<http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_name.cgi?p=Cragmere%2c%20Shire%20of>
> >>
> >>   - The following badge associated with this name was registered in
> >>   November of 2004 (via An
> >> Tir)<
> http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_date.cgi?y1=2004&m1=November&y2=2004&m2=November&kN=checked
> >
> >>   :
> >>   *(Fieldless <http://oanda.sca.org/glossary.cgi?p=fieldless>) A swan
> >>   close gules <http://oanda.sca.org/glossary.cgi?p=gules>.*
> >>
> >> *one cd for fieldless, but i dont see any more cds. *
> >> *Karena del Falco<
> http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_name.cgi?p=Karena%20del%20Falco>
> >>
> >>   - The following badge associated with this name was registered in
> >>   February of 1988 (via An
> >> Tir)<
> http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_date.cgi?y1=1988&m1=February&y2=1988&m2=February&kN=checked
> >
> >>   :
> >>   Argent <http://oanda.sca.org/glossary.cgi?p=argent>, a falcon close
> >> gules<http://oanda.sca.org/glossary.cgi?p=gules>
> >>   .
> >>
> >> on cd for argent. no other cd. ..........How did the swan pass?
> >> Ok I'm still confused.
> >> *
> >> *
> >> *
> >> Vy
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Vyolante Oporto <vyolante at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> So... I went to the mastery index, and expected a poultry, What pose
> would
> >>> a hen be considered to be in proper?
> >>> vy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Mon, 24 Jan 2011, doug bell <magnus77840 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> How to tell the difference between birds is in the November 2003
> >>>>> Cover Letter.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I only listed poultry shaped birds since everything else is clear by
> >>>>> X.2 (unless it's drawn really weird).
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> To be more detailed, the 11/03 LoAR CL talks about substantial
> >>>> difference (X.2 or X.4.j.ii difference), and anything substantially
> >>>> different gets a CD if you're doing CD counting.  But that CL, as I
> >>>> recall, doesn't say anything about bird in the same category (no X.2
> >>>> different).
> >>>>
> >>>> Danihel Lincolnia
> >>>> --
> >>>> Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com
> >>>>
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