[ANSTHRLD] Green harp and lacy knot

scat at cfl.rr.com scat at cfl.rr.com
Sat Jul 16 07:22:17 PDT 2011

Verily it is a question that Wreath should address.  Wreath's opinion may 
be impacted by the opinions expressed by senior device heralds--especially
if there is a consensus.  I hope that all device heralds will comment on
this issue.  I do believe that the issue should be passed to the CoA
of the conclusion reached by the CoH.

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From: heralds-bounces+scat=cfl.rr.com at lists.ansteorra.org
[mailto:heralds-bounces+scat=cfl.rr.com at lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of
Tim McDaniel
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 2:48 PM
To: Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Green harp and lacy knot

On Fri, 15 Jul 2011, Bob Wade <logiosophia at yahoo.com> wrote:
> There may be presumption issues uder RfS XI "Armory may not claim
> status or powers the submitter does not possess, as is required by
> General Principle 3b of these rules..."
> "(Tinctureless) A Lacy knot" is important enough to be
> protected by the SCA as an "Important non-SCA badge'. Both of
> these proposed badges could be viewed as claiming the submitter is
> Lacy's bard by the CoA.

Someone might have any view, but I think it would be entirely too
strict.  I don't see any notion of presumption at all, given that I
don't know of cases of bards or any other officers bearing a specific
badge of their lord.  Marshal and treasurer of the Holy Roman Empire,
yes, but that's rather high up.  I don't recall cases even for the
English court, except dim memory suggesting the king's champion.

Dankyn Lincoln
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