[ANSTHRLD] Conflict question - Septfoil?

[Bob Wade]

Versus "Argent, a septfoil gules." consider "Argent, a carnation gules, slipped and leaved vert, surmounted by a rosewood recorder proper." (Amelliana die Weisse aus Siena, Device, August of 1982) and "Argent, a red camellia proper within a bordure of red camellias slipped and leaved proper." (Matriana du Cameliard, Device, June 1975).  For the first I only see 1 DC for removal of the overall charge and for the second I only see 1 DC for removal of the peripheral charge group.
 
I'm unsure if Matriana also causes a conflict with "Argent, a septfoil and a bordure gules." and/or "Argent, a septfoil and an orle gules".  I suspect it might be only worth 1 DC for multiple changes to the peripheral.  
 
If so, I think there _would_ be 2 DC's versus Matriana for change to both type and number versus "Argent, a septifoil within a double tressure gules."  (This would also eliminate any questions versus "Argent, a rose proper, a bordure gules semy-de-lys argent." (Roseline d'Anjou, Device, November 1998) and "Gyronny sable and argent, a rose within an orle gules." (Elspeth Cameron, Device, August 1986) when considering cinquefoils/roses.)
 
Tostig

--- On Fri, 8/17/12, Scott Barrett <barrett1 at cox.net> wrote:


From: Scott Barrett <barrett1 at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Conflict question - Septfoil?
To: "'Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'" <heralds at lists.ansteorra.org>
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012, 6:00 AM


Proposed blazon currently is "Argent, a septfoil gules"

A  Border or orle will be considered if needed, also gules.

~Finnacan

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Out of curiosity, what is the proposed blazon?
 
Bordure, you did bookmark the cinquefoil/rose/hexfoil precedent, didn't
you?  The comparable reference in SENA is
http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/sena.html#A5G5  In contrast to the mullet
reference Palimpest previously noted (Explicitly mentioned in the example
http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/sena.html#A5G1e), there's now a DC for change
of number between 6+ and anything 5 or less.


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