[ANSTHRLD] Second Draft of Achievements Proposal Online

[Tomas Niallagain]

On a slightly different note,
 Most chivalric fighters regularly display more than they are entitled
too.  After all when Joe stick jock takes the field with shield in hand
isn't he now the supporter.

That bit a levity aside, I tend to agree that people do hold off for more
of the cool stuff, I know I have.  Yes, I know I am a bad example in that I
still need to submit my registration  but at least I do have supporters now
and can have an achievement that looks like one to hang on a wall. Since
those are currently reserved to nobility, I had to win crown or get a
barony and only 1 of those did I have any kind of perceived control of.
Is my anecdote a sound basis for my belief; probably not but until we poll
the populous we wont know.  I also tend to agree we need to discuss things
a lot more before we go to that step because I am also sure there will be
questions form them as well as the Crown.

On that note though I still think once the possible changes are determined;
we should probably ask the populous "IF these changes were made; would you
register" or better yet " Here are the proposed changes; if these were made
law WHAT are you submitting for registration".  Then we will have valid
numbers to present beside the proposal for Star and ultimately the Crown to
use when making their decision.

Many other thoughts of mine have already been expressed more eloquently
than I could.

Tomas

Militant herald
and Sir Stick Jock

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Bob Wade <logiosophia at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Has someone scraped Serena off the ceiling, yet?
>
> It's my understanding there's a tremendous backlog on Patent Scrolls.  I
> fear adding a need for original Achievement Scrolls to make the elements
> official would create an insurmountable backlog.  (How long would it take
> to commission and complete the 156 scrolls already "officially" recorded?)
>
> Tostig
>
> Post Scriptum: I like the idea of Achievement Scrolls, I really do. The
> seals on them are an especially unique feature.  My elements are registered
> but, as Alden indicated, I'm personally holding off commissioning a
> Scroll.  Doing so now feels like admitting my Estate will rise no higher -
> probably true, but aren't we here because we dream?
>
> Tostig
>
> --- On Wed, 6/20/12, Alden Drake <alden_drake at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Alden Drake <alden_drake at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Second Draft of Achievements Proposal Online
> To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <
> heralds at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Date: Wednesday, June 20, 2012, 12:19 PM
>
>
> Sorry to chop out so much of what I think is a good response, but...
>
> Adelaide wrote:
> "There are very few styles of portable display that bear a full
> achievement (a
> gonfannon-style banner, what else?)."
>
> I think this is a significant reason why people don't bother to register
> their
> achievement elements.  Also, I think people are less likely to commission
> an
> Achievement Scroll (usually paid for in cash or barter) because they want
> to
> wait until they can get a "complete" achievement, as opposed to
> commissioning a scroll for each step in which they are entitled to a new
> element.  Thus, they
> don't bother registering the elements until they are entitled to all of
> them and
> can just pay for one beautiful, complete scroll.
>
> I tend to agree that conflict checking crests and supporters is not
> necessary or
> period practice.  If we change to a system in which achievement elements
> are no
> longer conflict checked, then the purpose of registering them becomes
> simply one
> of recording a database of what a person uses.
>
> A novel idea might be to no longer register achievements by form, but
> record
> achievements that are detailed in an Achievement Scroll, signed by Star
> Principal Herald as an official granting of those elements.  This would
> convey
> that a person's awards dictate what achievement elements they are entitled
> to,
> but it's the Achievment Scroll issued by Star that is the governing
> document which records the achievement elements granted.  Sable Scroll
> office
> could then become more of a scribal office for the purpose of
> commissioning Achievement Scrolls (matching artists to grantees and
> facilitating
> Star's signature).  Current registrations could be grandfathered in the
> roster.
>
> Stirring the pot,
> Alden
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