[ANSTHRLD] Second Draft of Achievements Proposal Online

[Andrewe Bawldwyn]

I think I can safely chime in here:

I too would like to see more achievement scrolls, but I'd be concerned
about whether that would overtax the scribes doing original works at
present, as I'm sure there's a lot of stuff remaining to be cleared
out.

That being said, I wonder if the requirement of scroll production to
"register" your achievement wouldn't end up discouraging more folks
who feel they can't compensate a scribe in order to get a scroll. I
think that we need to be careful to keep it optional, but we can
certainly highly encourage it.

Andrewe
Star

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Bob Wade <logiosophia at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Has someone scraped Serena off the ceiling, yet?
>
> It's my understanding there's a tremendous backlog on Patent Scrolls.  I fear adding a need for original Achievement Scrolls to make the elements official would create an insurmountable backlog.  (How long would it take to commission and complete the 156 scrolls already "officially" recorded?)
>
> Tostig
>
> Post Scriptum: I like the idea of Achievement Scrolls, I really do. The seals on them are an especially unique feature.  My elements are registered but, as Alden indicated, I'm personally holding off commissioning a Scroll.  Doing so now feels like admitting my Estate will rise no higher - probably true, but aren't we here because we dream?
>
> Tostig
>
> --- On Wed, 6/20/12, Alden Drake <alden_drake at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Alden Drake <alden_drake at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Second Draft of Achievements Proposal Online
> To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <heralds at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Date: Wednesday, June 20, 2012, 12:19 PM
>
>
> Sorry to chop out so much of what I think is a good response, but...
>
> Adelaide wrote:
> "There are very few styles of portable display that bear a full achievement (a
> gonfannon-style banner, what else?)."
>
> I think this is a significant reason why people don't bother to register their
> achievement elements.  Also, I think people are less likely to commission an
> Achievement Scroll (usually paid for in cash or barter) because they want to
> wait until they can get a "complete" achievement, as opposed to commissioning a scroll for each step in which they are entitled to a new element.  Thus, they
> don't bother registering the elements until they are entitled to all of them and
> can just pay for one beautiful, complete scroll.
>
> I tend to agree that conflict checking crests and supporters is not necessary or
> period practice.  If we change to a system in which achievement elements are no
> longer conflict checked, then the purpose of registering them becomes simply one
> of recording a database of what a person uses.
>
> A novel idea might be to no longer register achievements by form, but record
> achievements that are detailed in an Achievement Scroll, signed by Star
> Principal Herald as an official granting of those elements.  This would convey
> that a person's awards dictate what achievement elements they are entitled to,
> but it's the Achievment Scroll issued by Star that is the governing
> document which records the achievement elements granted.  Sable Scroll office
> could then become more of a scribal office for the purpose of
> commissioning Achievement Scrolls (matching artists to grantees and facilitating
> Star's signature).  Current registrations could be grandfathered in the roster.
>
> Stirring the pot,
> Alden
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