[ANSTHRLD] Conflict check please

Crandall 4fooles.matters at gmail.com
Sat May 5 14:50:10 PDT 2012


Under the rules, I feel this submission is too complex with five
tinctures, three charges, a complex chief and base, as well as the per
chevron field. .

(previous) RULES FOR SUBMISSIONS
of the College of Arms of the Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc.
March 28, 2004, Updated April 2, 2008
PART VIII - COMPATIBLE ARMORIAL STYLE
All elements of a piece of armory must be arranged into a design that
is compatible with period armorial style, as is required by General
Principle 1b of these rules. This section defines the requirements for
arranging acceptable armorial elements into a design.
1. Armorial Simplicity. - All armory must be simple in design.
a. Tincture and Charge Limit - Armory must use a limited number of
tinctures and types of charges.
As the number of tinctures involved in a device increases, the number
of types of charge should decrease. As the number of types increases,
the number of tinctures should decrease. In no case should the number
of different tinctures or types of charges be so great as to eliminate
the visual impact of any single design element. As a rule of thumb,
the total of the number of tinctures plus the number of types of
charges in a design should not exceed eight. As another guideline,
three or more types of charges should not be used in the same group

Rules for Submissions:
The Standards for Evaluation of Names and Armory
March, 2012
A.3. Armory Style
E. Armorial Simplicity: Period armory was mostly simple in nature,
having only a few charge groups on the field and a few tinctures.
2. Complexity Count: We require that any submission not exceed a
certain "complexity count," measured by adding the number of types of
charges to the number of tinctures.  Items with a complexity count of
eight or less receive no penalty for complexity from this rule.  Furs,
such as ermine and vair, count as a single tincture rather than their
component tinctures.  Charges that have different names in different
tinctures or orientations (roundels, crescents, gouttes) are
considered one type regardless of the term used for them.  All
charges, including maintained charges, are counted, though objects
worn by an animal or person do not.  All tinctures are counted except
those used only for normally unblazoned artistic details like teeth,
claws, and eyes.  Proper is not a tincture, but a description of a
group of tinctures, each of which is counted separately.
For example, Vert, in fess two straight trumpets palewise Or and a
chief argent has a complexity count of five, while Vert, in fess two
straight trumpets palewise and a chief Or has a complexity count of
four.  Vair, a squirrel gules has a complexity count of three.
Argent, a brown monkey proper vested gules has a complexity count of
four, because the tincture of the vest is also counted. For example, a
rose proper has three tinctures, each of which is counted for
complexity, so Per fess sable and azure, on a fess argent, three roses
proper has a complexity count of eight.
An item with a complexity count of nine or higher that follows a
period pattern of charges and tinctures may be registered, but may
need to be documented as an Individually Attested Pattern.

On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Frank Schalles
<francisschalles at gmail.com> wrote:
>  *Per saltaire Or and sable, a tower gules. On a chief embattled vert a
> trumpet Or. On a base embattled purpure a key Or*
>
> YIS
>
> Francois de Lions
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