[ANSTHRLD] Conflict check please

Frank Schalles francisschalles at gmail.com
Sat May 5 15:55:58 PDT 2012


Thank You for the responses.

Ines,
Are the trumpets assumed to be Or or sable?

Crandall,
If the charge was eliminated on the base, and the base was vert, that
should clear the complexity issue?

Francois

On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Crandall <4fooles.matters at gmail.com> wrote:

> Under the rules, I feel this submission is too complex with five
> tinctures, three charges, a complex chief and base, as well as the per
> chevron field. .
>
> (previous) RULES FOR SUBMISSIONS
> of the College of Arms of the Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc.
> March 28, 2004, Updated April 2, 2008
> PART VIII - COMPATIBLE ARMORIAL STYLE
> All elements of a piece of armory must be arranged into a design that
> is compatible with period armorial style, as is required by General
> Principle 1b of these rules. This section defines the requirements for
> arranging acceptable armorial elements into a design.
> 1. Armorial Simplicity. - All armory must be simple in design.
> a. Tincture and Charge Limit - Armory must use a limited number of
> tinctures and types of charges.
> As the number of tinctures involved in a device increases, the number
> of types of charge should decrease. As the number of types increases,
> the number of tinctures should decrease. In no case should the number
> of different tinctures or types of charges be so great as to eliminate
> the visual impact of any single design element. As a rule of thumb,
> the total of the number of tinctures plus the number of types of
> charges in a design should not exceed eight. As another guideline,
> three or more types of charges should not be used in the same group
>
> Rules for Submissions:
> The Standards for Evaluation of Names and Armory
> March, 2012
> A.3. Armory Style
> E. Armorial Simplicity: Period armory was mostly simple in nature,
> having only a few charge groups on the field and a few tinctures.
> 2. Complexity Count: We require that any submission not exceed a
> certain "complexity count," measured by adding the number of types of
> charges to the number of tinctures.  Items with a complexity count of
> eight or less receive no penalty for complexity from this rule.  Furs,
> such as ermine and vair, count as a single tincture rather than their
> component tinctures.  Charges that have different names in different
> tinctures or orientations (roundels, crescents, gouttes) are
> considered one type regardless of the term used for them.  All
> charges, including maintained charges, are counted, though objects
> worn by an animal or person do not.  All tinctures are counted except
> those used only for normally unblazoned artistic details like teeth,
> claws, and eyes.  Proper is not a tincture, but a description of a
> group of tinctures, each of which is counted separately.
> For example, Vert, in fess two straight trumpets palewise Or and a
> chief argent has a complexity count of five, while Vert, in fess two
> straight trumpets palewise and a chief Or has a complexity count of
> four.  Vair, a squirrel gules has a complexity count of three.
> Argent, a brown monkey proper vested gules has a complexity count of
> four, because the tincture of the vest is also counted. For example, a
> rose proper has three tinctures, each of which is counted for
> complexity, so Per fess sable and azure, on a fess argent, three roses
> proper has a complexity count of eight.
> An item with a complexity count of nine or higher that follows a
> period pattern of charges and tinctures may be registered, but may
> need to be documented as an Individually Attested Pattern.
>
> On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Frank Schalles
> <francisschalles at gmail.com> wrote:
> >  *Per saltaire Or and sable, a tower gules. On a chief embattled vert a
> > trumpet Or. On a base embattled purpure a key Or*
> >
> > YIS
> >
> > Francois de Lions
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