[ANSTHRLD] Conflict check please

[S L Niemann]

Removing purpure and changing the charge on the base to one already in
use would bring it to a complexity count of eight - within the limits.

In my suggestion the trumpets and key are Or; the trumpets would be on
the sable portion of the field.

Ines

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On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Frank Schalles
<francisschalles at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank You for the responses.
>
> Ines,
> Are the trumpets assumed to be Or or sable?
>
> Crandall,
> If the charge was eliminated on the base, and the base was vert, that
> should clear the complexity issue?
>
> Francois
>
> On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Crandall <4fooles.matters at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Under the rules, I feel this submission is too complex with five
>> tinctures, three charges, a complex chief and base, as well as the per
>> chevron field. .
>>
>> (previous) RULES FOR SUBMISSIONS
>> of the College of Arms of the Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc.
>> March 28, 2004, Updated April 2, 2008
>> PART VIII - COMPATIBLE ARMORIAL STYLE
>> All elements of a piece of armory must be arranged into a design that
>> is compatible with period armorial style, as is required by General
>> Principle 1b of these rules. This section defines the requirements for
>> arranging acceptable armorial elements into a design.
>> 1. Armorial Simplicity. - All armory must be simple in design.
>> a. Tincture and Charge Limit - Armory must use a limited number of
>> tinctures and types of charges.
>> As the number of tinctures involved in a device increases, the number
>> of types of charge should decrease. As the number of types increases,
>> the number of tinctures should decrease. In no case should the number
>> of different tinctures or types of charges be so great as to eliminate
>> the visual impact of any single design element. As a rule of thumb,
>> the total of the number of tinctures plus the number of types of
>> charges in a design should not exceed eight. As another guideline,
>> three or more types of charges should not be used in the same group
>>
>> Rules for Submissions:
>> The Standards for Evaluation of Names and Armory
>> March, 2012
>> A.3. Armory Style
>> E. Armorial Simplicity: Period armory was mostly simple in nature,
>> having only a few charge groups on the field and a few tinctures.
>> 2. Complexity Count: We require that any submission not exceed a
>> certain "complexity count," measured by adding the number of types of
>> charges to the number of tinctures.  Items with a complexity count of
>> eight or less receive no penalty for complexity from this rule.  Furs,
>> such as ermine and vair, count as a single tincture rather than their
>> component tinctures.  Charges that have different names in different
>> tinctures or orientations (roundels, crescents, gouttes) are
>> considered one type regardless of the term used for them.  All
>> charges, including maintained charges, are counted, though objects
>> worn by an animal or person do not.  All tinctures are counted except
>> those used only for normally unblazoned artistic details like teeth,
>> claws, and eyes.  Proper is not a tincture, but a description of a
>> group of tinctures, each of which is counted separately.
>> For example, Vert, in fess two straight trumpets palewise Or and a
>> chief argent has a complexity count of five, while Vert, in fess two
>> straight trumpets palewise and a chief Or has a complexity count of
>> four.  Vair, a squirrel gules has a complexity count of three.
>> Argent, a brown monkey proper vested gules has a complexity count of
>> four, because the tincture of the vest is also counted. For example, a
>> rose proper has three tinctures, each of which is counted for
>> complexity, so Per fess sable and azure, on a fess argent, three roses
>> proper has a complexity count of eight.
>> An item with a complexity count of nine or higher that follows a
>> period pattern of charges and tinctures may be registered, but may
>> need to be documented as an Individually Attested Pattern.
>>
>> On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Frank Schalles
>> <francisschalles at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >  *Per saltaire Or and sable, a tower gules. On a chief embattled vert a
>> > trumpet Or. On a base embattled purpure a key Or*
>> >
>> > YIS
>> >
>> > Francois de Lions
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