[ANSTHRLD] Conflict check please

[Frank Schalles]

Excellent advice!

F

On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 6:00 PM, S L Niemann <slniemann at gmail.com> wrote:

> Removing purpure and changing the charge on the base to one already in
> use would bring it to a complexity count of eight - within the limits.
>
> In my suggestion the trumpets and key are Or; the trumpets would be on
> the sable portion of the field.
>
> Ines
>
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> On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Frank Schalles
> <francisschalles at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thank You for the responses.
> >
> > Ines,
> > Are the trumpets assumed to be Or or sable?
> >
> > Crandall,
> > If the charge was eliminated on the base, and the base was vert, that
> > should clear the complexity issue?
> >
> > Francois
> >
> > On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Crandall <4fooles.matters at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Under the rules, I feel this submission is too complex with five
> >> tinctures, three charges, a complex chief and base, as well as the per
> >> chevron field. .
> >>
> >> (previous) RULES FOR SUBMISSIONS
> >> of the College of Arms of the Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc.
> >> March 28, 2004, Updated April 2, 2008
> >> PART VIII - COMPATIBLE ARMORIAL STYLE
> >> All elements of a piece of armory must be arranged into a design that
> >> is compatible with period armorial style, as is required by General
> >> Principle 1b of these rules. This section defines the requirements for
> >> arranging acceptable armorial elements into a design.
> >> 1. Armorial Simplicity. - All armory must be simple in design.
> >> a. Tincture and Charge Limit - Armory must use a limited number of
> >> tinctures and types of charges.
> >> As the number of tinctures involved in a device increases, the number
> >> of types of charge should decrease. As the number of types increases,
> >> the number of tinctures should decrease. In no case should the number
> >> of different tinctures or types of charges be so great as to eliminate
> >> the visual impact of any single design element. As a rule of thumb,
> >> the total of the number of tinctures plus the number of types of
> >> charges in a design should not exceed eight. As another guideline,
> >> three or more types of charges should not be used in the same group
> >>
> >> Rules for Submissions:
> >> The Standards for Evaluation of Names and Armory
> >> March, 2012
> >> A.3. Armory Style
> >> E. Armorial Simplicity: Period armory was mostly simple in nature,
> >> having only a few charge groups on the field and a few tinctures.
> >> 2. Complexity Count: We require that any submission not exceed a
> >> certain "complexity count," measured by adding the number of types of
> >> charges to the number of tinctures.  Items with a complexity count of
> >> eight or less receive no penalty for complexity from this rule.  Furs,
> >> such as ermine and vair, count as a single tincture rather than their
> >> component tinctures.  Charges that have different names in different
> >> tinctures or orientations (roundels, crescents, gouttes) are
> >> considered one type regardless of the term used for them.  All
> >> charges, including maintained charges, are counted, though objects
> >> worn by an animal or person do not.  All tinctures are counted except
> >> those used only for normally unblazoned artistic details like teeth,
> >> claws, and eyes.  Proper is not a tincture, but a description of a
> >> group of tinctures, each of which is counted separately.
> >> For example, Vert, in fess two straight trumpets palewise Or and a
> >> chief argent has a complexity count of five, while Vert, in fess two
> >> straight trumpets palewise and a chief Or has a complexity count of
> >> four.  Vair, a squirrel gules has a complexity count of three.
> >> Argent, a brown monkey proper vested gules has a complexity count of
> >> four, because the tincture of the vest is also counted. For example, a
> >> rose proper has three tinctures, each of which is counted for
> >> complexity, so Per fess sable and azure, on a fess argent, three roses
> >> proper has a complexity count of eight.
> >> An item with a complexity count of nine or higher that follows a
> >> period pattern of charges and tinctures may be registered, but may
> >> need to be documented as an Individually Attested Pattern.
> >>
> >> On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Frank Schalles
> >> <francisschalles at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >  *Per saltaire Or and sable, a tower gules. On a chief embattled vert
> a
> >> > trumpet Or. On a base embattled purpure a key Or*
> >> >
> >> > YIS
> >> >
> >> > Francois de Lions
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