[ANSTHRLD] multi generation Gaelic names

[Lisa Theriot]

[An issue has come up the a Gaelic submitter. Do we register Gaelic
patronymics with two uses of Uí in its meaning as grandson of or male
descendent of?]

I think it matters if the person is Irish or Scottish, because Scottish
Gaels didn't use clan names in the same way in period.  In Ireland, I would
still be surprised by multiple uses of ui because I can't recall seeing both
a grandfather and a clancestor named in the same name.

 [We register patronymics in Welsh and Arabic that contain several
generations. I wonder if we also register them for Gaelic.]

We have ample evidence for them in Welsh and Arabic.  In Gaelic, outside of
a specific genealogical tract, I would be surprised to see more than two
generations and a chiefly title or other name info.  For example:

Lasairfina, ingen Toirrdelbaigh h-Ui Concobuir, ben Meg Raghnaill Duibh
(Ulster 1381.3)

This is given name+ingen+dad's given name+clan name AKA 'wife of' husband's
byname(s)

Uilliam, mac Donnchadha Muimnigh h-Ui Cheallaigh, .i. ri h-Ua Maine  (Ulster
1381.5)

This is given name +mac+dad's given name+locative byname (probably
dad's)+clan name + 'called king of' tribe

That's about as complicated as it gets.  Now, what is rational and what we
register are often two different things.  It would not surprise me in the
least for two documented clancestor-style names to be registered in a single
name.


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