[ANSTHRLD] Conflict checking and default for daffodils

[Herald of Hellsgate]

Thanks.  Based on that snippet of the discussion that something like this
http://www.ngw.nl/heraldrywiki/images/2/22/Vara.jpg would be an option.  If
she wishes it viewed from the top, it would be best blazoned a sexfoil.

Coenred


On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 13 May 2013, Herald of Hellsgate
> <herald at hellsgate.ansteorra.**org <herald at hellsgate.ansteorra.org>> wrote:
>
>> I have a client wishing to use daffodils in her badge.  According to
>> the O and A, these are in the category of trumpet shaped flowers but
>> I have not been able to find a period depiction of one.  Would it be
>> drawn from the top (in which case it looks like a rose) or from the
>> side (in which case it looks like a lily).
>>
>
> http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/**2002/06/02-06cl.html<http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2002/06/02-06cl.html>
>
>     FROM WREATH: Daffodils
>
>     After reading the discussion provided by the College, it seems
>     appropriate to rule that the daffodil, like the lotus, has no default
>     posture. The posture of the flower should be blazoned explicitly, such
>     as affronty or bell to chief. Daffodils addorsed are daffodils with
>     the bells facing away from each other.
>
>     Daffodils are not slipped and leaved by default. The flower portion of
>     the daffodil may be referred to either as a daffodil or as a daffodil
>     blossom.
>
> http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/**2011/09/11-09lar.html#128<http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2011/09/11-09lar.html#128>
>
>   Nest ffynnon. Device. Argent, on a mullet of six points azure a
>   sexfoil Or and a bordure rayonny vert.
>
>       This is returned for redraw, for multiple issues. Section
>       VII.7.a of the Rules for Submissions requires that "Elements
>       must be recognizable solely from their appearance." ...
>
>       Blazoned on the Letter of Intent as a _daffodil blossom
>       affronty_, a daffodil is a trumpet-shaped flower, and loses its
>       identifiability when seen affronty instead of in profile. If the
>       submitter wishes to use a six petaled flower, please advise her
>       to consider a sexfoil or a six-petaled rose.
>
> You don't *need* a period depiction of flora and fauna from Europe,
> though bonus points if you find one (perhaps under "narcissus"?)
> Might check via http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Daffodil<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daffodil>to get a clearly
> European breed, especially if it was a common one.  For example, what
> we think of as a "dogwood blossom" is purely New World; period people
> had quite a different notion.
>
> Danielis Lindocolina
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> Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com
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