[ANSTHRLD] names in calendars of tudor fiants

Kathleen O'Brien mari_1184 at att.net
Tue Jul 26 16:55:51 PDT 2016


The fiants are mostly good for docs.  There are a few issues in them, 
mainly around a couple of particular scribes.

With enough analysis, these are actually a good example of how it was 
not a homogeneous naming pool in Ireland in the 16th C: the English, 
Irish Gaels, and Anglo-Norman families had different naming patterns.

These are actually a major chunk of the sources I used for my "Names 
Found in Anglicized Irish Documents" article at:

http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnglicizedIrish/

I've got the naming patterns there along with all the women's names I 
could find in all of the fiants and a bunch of the men's names.  I tried 
to grab at least one example of every man's given name but I still have 
a bunch to roll into the article (mainly umpteen examples of John, etc.).

I'm pretty sure the indexes are post-period (I'd need to check to be 
100% sure), so I would not use them for documentation.

Mari



On 7/24/2016 11:31 PM, Coblaith Muimnech wrote:
> I recently came across the calendars of fiants from the Tudor monarchs that
> were produced by the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records in Ireland in the
> late 19th century, and was struck by how useful they might be for name
> documentation if there were a ready way to navigate to and within them. So
> I made myself a little list of links for that.  And then I added some info
> on the languages used in the fiants and evidence of normalization (or the
> lack thereof) in the calendars, to make it easier to evaluate them as
> sources, and uploaded the whole thing to my website so I can cite myself if
> I ever use anything from them in a submission.
>
> If any of you are interested in 16th-century English and Anglicized Irish
> names, you might find something intriguing there.  (I saw some pretty wild
> given names and some weird name constructions glancing through it.  I might
> go back and transcribe/analyze some of them someday, when I've got a couple
> of major projects finished.)  Or if you find yourself with a submitter
> who's insistent that he needs to register his Irish granny's EXACT surname,
> whether there's any reason to think it was ever used in period or not, you
> might get lucky looking it up in the indices.  There are plenty of variants
> listed.
>
> You can find the article at<http://coblaith.net/Names/TudorFiants.html>.
>
>
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