HERB - Re: herbalist V1 #517

Mon Sep 4 17:14:31 PDT 2000

I lived in florida for 3 1/2 years...the only safe way to get rid of the
Chinese golden flying roaches was Simple Green and our vaccume
cleaner....the simple green was sprayed on the roaches full strength..the
roach cleaned its'self and in the colony died...then the colony ate it and
they died too...then When I found roaches in the cupboards, I vaccumed them
up and threw out the bag after I took the vaccume out to the dumpster,put
the vaccume bag in a plastic one and they then went onto a garbage can , I
think I filled at least four bags a week...we lived in a duplex in
Orlando...
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> herbalist          Sunday, September 3 2000          Volume 01 : Number
517
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> In this issue:
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>     HERB - LONG.  The truth about roaches and ants
>     Re: HERB - LONG.  The truth about roaches and ants
>     Re: HERB - LONG.  The truth about roaches and ants
>     RE: HERB - LONG.  The truth about roaches and ants
>     Re: HERB -Borax vs Roaches
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> Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 13:10:11 -0500 (CDT)
> From: hornburg amy lynn <aheilvei at ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
> Subject: HERB - LONG.  The truth about roaches and ants
>
> Salut!
> Greetings from Bogdan de la Brasov, husband to Despina de la Brasov (a
> lurker on this list)!  I was sitting in the office studying for my prelims
> (I'm a PhD student in Entomology) and I heard Despina reading some of the
> messages about insects.  I have a few comments...
> 1) Blatteria Americana (American Cockroach, the big one.  This also goes
> for the small brown banded and the medium sized German cockroach, the only
> three we get) does not carry any diseases.  It is true that if you have
> diseased meat laying around and it walks through it, the bacteria and
> whatnot can be transferred to other surfaces, however if you keep a
> reasonably clean house this is not an issue.  The closest it comes to
> carrying a disease (to which humans are susceptible) is that the hairs can
> break off the legs and cause allergies in Asthmatics, but this is only if
> there is a high density of cockroaches.  As my IPM (Integrated
> Pest Management) professor liked to say... If you have a roach problem and
> aren't in an apartment you need to clean better.  Having lived in an
> apartment, I found that if there is no food then there are no roaches.
> Roaches do like dogfood though.  That's what we feed the Madagascar
> hissing cockroaches in the lab.
>
> 2) Borax, sugar, bullion, Boric acid all work.  The reason is this
> (something we learned from the Egyptians who were doing this 6,000 years
> ago): Small, dry particles abrade the waxy layer on the outside of the
> insects, causing them to die from water loss through their "skin."  I
> wouldn't use sugar with the ants, as it will work as an alternate food
> source.  The Egyptians used sand.  Even put it in with their bags of grain
> (if you sift your flour it isn't a problem).  I personally like sand
> better as a deterent, as it is easy to clean up, does no damage to the
> environment in the amounts you should be using, is cheap, and doesn't
> provide nutriment for the insects.
>
> 3) If the ants are large, black ones (carpenter) you may not be able to
> get rid of them that easily, as they like rotting wood.  The pepper is a
> good idea.  It is true that ants follow scent trails to food.  The closer
> to the nest and the better the food source, the stronger the smell of the
> scent trail.  The CHEAPEST and EASIEST TO APPLY (including vertical
> surfaces) is white vinegar.  If you are strewing herbs (as herbs are the
> nature of this list) around the outside of your house, you should use
> tansey.  It is strong, yet nice smelling,  and can be used in the
> preparation of period egg dishes, such as tanseyed eggs (Mentioned in a
> few 15th century sources).    For indoors, liquids are nice as they are
> easy to apply to vertical surfaces.  Don't use lemonjuice, as it has sugar
> in it.
>
> 4) using citric acid will not result in having the foragers being eaten by
> the colony, however this will happen irregardless if you have multiple
> colonies.
>
> 5) a simple (and fun for kids) way of seeing the effect of strong smelling
> herbs on the scent trail can be done without any scent.  Take a jar of jam
> (or honey) that has dripped down the side.  When an ant comes and tastes
> it, wait till it leaves and then rotate the jar.  the ant will go around
> in cirlces till it finds the trail again.
>
> 6) Don't buy ant baits.  Most ants are actually repelled by the
> "attractant" and they just don't work.  Saw a neat study out of Purdue
> about this one.
>
> 7) Last, but not least, a few other things to think about.  Vaccuum
> cleaners work well.  little children with napkins work well (squish,
> squish...).  The vaccuum cleaner is good for spiders, earwigs and all
> sorts of insects.  Children love to squish bugs (free entertainment
> without the TV).  Collect some of the foragers.  Put them in a container
> with some sand.  If they are away from the queen long enough they should
> develop into sexual forms and you can have an ant farm.  If that doesn't
> work, but you find the colony, grab the winged ants.  Then you can have an
> ant farm.  Of course, the most effective way to deal with this resource
> involves a piece of wax paper, some cream and some Godiva chocolate.
> Heat the chocolate and the cream together.  Drop in the ants.  Let dry on
> the wax paper.  The formic acid provides a sweet tang to counter the
> sugar-sweet of the chocolate. (Of course hairspray and a crem broulette
> torch work really well too.  Ants hate being caught on fire...)
>
> Hope this helps clear up some of the confusion.
>
> Cu drag,
> Bogdan de la Brasov
> MKA Jeff Heilveil, M.S. Entomology
> Dept. Entomology, University of Illinois
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> Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 18:55:57 EDT
> From: CorwynWdwd at aol.com
> Subject: Re: HERB - LONG.  The truth about roaches and ants
>
> Offhand.... do you know any animals that LIKE being caught on fire?
> Salamanders don't count.
>
> Corwyn
>
> In a message dated 9/2/2000 2:11:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> aheilvei at ux1.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
>
> > Ants hate being caught on fire...)
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> Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 19:12:04 -0400
> From: Gaylin <iasmin at home.com>
> Subject: Re: HERB - LONG.  The truth about roaches and ants
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> Phoenix? :)
>
> Sorry, couldn't help myself.
>
> Thanks for the very good explanation, Bogdan. I'm surprised you didn't
> post more recipes. :)
>
> Jasmine
>
> >Offhand.... do you know any animals that LIKE being caught on fire?
> >Salamanders don't count.
> >
> >Corwyn
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> Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 20:08:57 -0500
> From: "Carper, Rachel" <Rachel.Carper at compaq.com>
> Subject: RE: HERB - LONG.  The truth about roaches and ants
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> Phoenix.
>
> Elewyiss
>
>
> Offhand.... do you know any animals that LIKE being caught on fire?
> Salamanders don't count.
> Corwyn
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> Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:40:53 -0400
> From: ladygrania at juno.com
> Subject: Re: HERB -Borax vs Roaches
>
> I'm sorry to lag behind.  I just picked up this thread on borax and
> roaches.  Most hardware stores sell a powered boric acid made especially
> for roache extermination.  The mechanism behind it is the acid slowly
> erodes the roaches exoskeleton causing death and it does adhere to their
> legs and bodies so they take it back to the nest with them.  Drug store
> boric acid ophthalmic preparation would be much more expensive.
>
> Grania
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