[Loch-Ruadh] Fwd: Re: [Steppes] Re:Security

[Julie Self]

I wonder how you sign up for that security?
Gwenllian

Loch Ruadh Rocks!!





>From: "Kathy Varner" <dkv250 at msn.com>
>Reply-To: loch-ruadh at ansteorra.org
>To: loch-ruadh at ansteorra.org
>Subject: [Loch-Ruadh] Fwd: Re: [Steppes] Re:Security
>Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 23:05:14 -0500
>
>excerpt:
>
>There will always be security problems,
>I've been on security at Penis, when mundane got on to the site.
>
>I won't touch this, just couldn't resist pointing it out.
>
>Caitrin ferch Rhys
>Canton of Loch Ruadh
>House Mac an Ghabhann
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>----Original Message Follows----
>From: Aaron Robb <philo_net at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: steppes at ansteorra.org
>To: steppes at ansteorra.org
>Subject: Re: [Steppes] Re:Security
>Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:04:50 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Franky, and no offense to anyone out there who was working at the
>time, but we're our own worst enemy when it comes to security.
>
>Last year with the kids in a truck tossing water baloons, for
>instance, giving chase in golf carts was a less than optimal response
>to the situation. First off, regarless of all the angry words about
>"citizen's arrest" and "I know the law" I heard when I staggered up
>and mentioned it was probablly better not to give chase, unless you
>are a TCLOSE acredited peace officer in your home jurisdiction you're
>taking a HUGE liability risk, both personally and for the Barony, if
>you actually managed to catch and detain someone, especially if any
>force was involved.* Second, chasing a truck in golf cart(s) only
>causes the truck to speed away and adds one or more additional
>speeding vehicles to the fray. The water ballons were annoying. A
>truck going 30 through the site, at night, could be deadly. A golf
>cart isn't much better.
>
>The first job of security is to protect people's lives and well
>being. After that comes protecting property. Preventing annoying ppl
>from doing annoying things is way down on the list.
>
>All that being said, I *know* you can close the roads at the Canton
>site. I've been out to First Trade Days when they have done it to
>prevent ppl who have not paid for certain passes from going to
>various areas. This may involve a different type of city permit, or
>hiring a city cop or some such (or maybe just doing it without
>permission), but no one seemed to mind during the trade days. I don't
>understand why that should be such a problem for us. Certainly the
>city doesn't want one of our children to be hit by a car in the
>middle of the night (if not out of human decency than fear of a
>lawsuit). A few "detour" signs and sawhorses around the main camping
>area is all it would take.
>
>Philo
>
>
>*And you don't even have to do anything wrong. You can do everything
>100% right and still spend tens of thousands of dollars in court. Do
>it wrong and you can end up in jail.
>
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> > Can you let me know when that security detail is?  I'm just
> > wondering if I
> > need to bring a codpiece....
> > Toryn
> >
> >
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> >
> > Cairenn Day <cpenny at swbell.net>
> > Sent by: steppes-admin at ansteorra.org
> > 06/04/2003 06:01 PM
> > Please respond to steppes
> >
> >
> >         To:     steppes at ansteorra.org
> >         cc:
> >         Subject:        Re: [Steppes] Re:Security
> >
> >
> > Let me agree with Serena about security problems, I have had to
> > deal
> > with drunk mundanes at mutilple events, some of these planned on
> > coming
> > back with guns, to cause us problems.  One of Canton's advantages
> > is
> > that we  have mundane Police patrolling the site.  I am surprised
> > that
> > we have not had more and more violent encounters with mundane.  I
> > want a
> > site were we can have real, armed police, I don't want to ever see
> > a
> > swords vs. shotguns melee.  There will always be security problems,
> > I've
> > been on security at Penis, when mundane got on to the site.
> >
> > Cairenn
>
>
>=====
>---
>Aaron D. Robb, M.Ed., NCC, LPC
>
>"Well, I guess you could call me a lucky man," Confucius says wryly to his
>students. "Whenever I make a mistake, there's always somebody to point it
>out to me."   - T. R. Reid _Confucius lives next door_
>
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