[Namron] The Incident at Protectorate

Wed Oct 13 21:18:38 PDT 2004

Easy now.  I said there was a sick horse, and I know that horses are
sensitive to sound (rather twitchy, kind of like some of my ex's).  A sudden
noise could have made the horse jerk and potentially make the issue worse.
I never said it CAUSED the sick horse.

I used that as an example of permission being needed from people who know
everything that was going on.  The only reason I even knew about the horse
was I happened to be walking by when Her Excellency Maleah was talking with
someone about it.  I am something of an animal lover (except for cats, whom
I merely tolerate), and took notice of the horse issue.

The point was that the cannonette could have caused damage BEYOND the
obvious deafening of Tadgh's ears.  These are things that a few people in
charge should be aware of, so that the rest of us could try to enjoy
ourselves.

As a further note, the site rules were as follows:

1.  No firearms
3.  No fireworks or other explosives

I think that should have summed it up completely.

Folks, I am in this to have some fun.  So far, I think I've accomplished it.
Although, Constance will certainly testify that I get a bit testy when I'm
trying to get things done in a hurry.  (Apologies again Constance, and  if
you still want to use that whip on me...)  The point is, that we need to
follow the rules, and be considerate of others.  And then have some fun!!!

Duncan has admitted his error, and we've all agreed it was a mistake.  Now
let's bury this dead horse (no pun intended), and get on with our lives.

On that note, I'm going to bed.  I'll be seeing one of you in my dreams, and
that lady certainly knows who I'm talking about!!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: namron-bounces+matthiasthebrewer=cox.net at ansteorra.org
[mailto:namron-bounces+matthiasthebrewer=cox.net at ansteorra.org]On Behalf
Of Katie A Mosely
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 10:00 PM
To: namron at ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Namron] The Incident at Protectorate

To add to this, HOrses were used alongside cannons in war for many many
years. And I didn't even hear the cannon on the field.

A twisted gut is caused by the horses intestines being clocked and full
of gas and twisting as a horse rolls to alleviate the pain of a colic.
Gas floats and so the part of the intestine with the gas bubble acts as a
balloon keeping that part of the intestine up, while the rest of the
horse turns around it. Causing a twist. (Which is why you don't want
horses who are colicking to lay down.)

The horse in question was doing better when I left camp on Sunday
morning. With better chance for recovery, than was expected on Saturday.
We do not think that she had a twisted gut, last I spoke with the Camp
Care taker.
Lady Katyana

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:35:04 -0500 Katie A Mosely <kawhispers at juno.com>
writes:
> People,
> The cannon will not cause twisted guts in horses. The horse colicked
> for
> reasons unto itself. There were issues with moldy hay, and also with
> age
> and weather change. ANy one of those things would cause it, BUT NOT
> THE
> CANNON PLEASE DON'T EVEN GO THERE!
> Lady Katyana MacLeat your local horse person
>
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 05:37:44 -0500 "Matthias the Brewer"
> <matthiasthebrewer at cox.net> writes:
> > Duncan,
> >
> > In my opinion, it doesn't matter that there was a child present.
>
> > Because
> > there was a PERSON present.
> >
> > There was also the issue of a sick horse (all I heard was the
> > possibility of
> > a twisted gut and surgery), who are very sensitive to sound.  The
>
> > sound
> > could have caused the horse to start, making matters worse.
> >
> > I'm not taking advantage of the situation to beat up on you
> Duncan,
> > but I
> > think it was a colossal mistake to fire it.  I have no respect for
>
> > your
> > safety procedures, because people don't just "appear".  They
> walk.
> >
> > However, I agree with you.  You should have been removed from
> site.
> > I think
> > the Seneschal was remarkably generous in this case.
> >
> > I also think, that it is time to let this matter drop.  The
> > Seneschal has
> > dealt with it (at that time).  And while I think your hobby is
> > amusing and
> > could be a lot of fun, I don't think it is appropriate at SCA
> > events.  Just
> > my opinion.  Too many safety issues.
> >
> > Matthias the Strongly Opinionated Brewer
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: namron-bounces+matthiasthebrewer=cox.net at ansteorra.org
> > [mailto:namron-bounces+matthiasthebrewer=cox.net at ansteorra.org]On
>
> > Behalf
> > Of Duncan MacNamara
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 1:13 AM
> > To: Barony of Namron
> > Subject: [Namron] The Incident at Protectorate
> >
> >
> > I was just informed of something, and would like to doubly
> apologize
> > for it
> > now. I was just informed that Marsha was _WITH_ Tadgh when they
> went
> > through
> > camp on their way to their wagon, on the night of the incident. I
>
> > had
> > absolutely no idea that a child was involved when I was issued my
>
> > warning,
> > or I would have packed up and left right then and there, no
> > questions asked.
> > I don't understand, in fact, why I wasn't told to get off-site
> > instead of
> > given a warning. I also don't understand why it's only just now,
> > three days
> > later, that I am hearing of a child being present. I would like to
>
> > extend my
> > apologies again.
> >
> > As for range safety and my appearant incompetance... I have a
> > little
> > backstop that I normally set up when firing my mini-cannon, to
> make
> > sure the
> > wadding doesn't travel too far when I fire it in a "limited space"
>
> > setting.
> > I set this up 6 feet from the barrel muzzle, as the wadding
> usually
> > only
> > travels 3-6 feet, using a powder charge of 15 grains. Since my
> mast
> > rope and
> > torch was at roughly the 10 foot mark, and I had just cleared the
>
> > "firing
> > lane", I didn't put the cannon on the ground and set up the
> > backstop. I
> > fired it from the mini-table on which I had them set up for
> display.
> > The
> > offending cannon is 3 inches long, has a 1/4 inch bore, and is no
>
> > louder
> > than a black cat firecracker. No, I am not trying to excuse this
> > away, just
> > shedding some light on the facts. Yes, I was wrong for both firing
>
> > the thing
> > in camp, even though it is tiny, and I was also wrong for not
> > setting up my
> > backstop. But still, this doesn't mean that I am an idiot. It
> means
> > that I
> > made a mistake, and while I am thankful that nothing happened, I
> > still think
> > this thing got blown a tad out of proportion. That, and I don't
> > understand
> > why no one at the event site who knew what happened mentioned that
>
> > there was
> > a child present.
> >
> >
> > Tadgh, Meraude, I am sorry.
> >
> >
> > Duncan
> >
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