[Namron] A chairiot, A bigot, and the game.....

Tue Jan 11 10:05:32 PST 2005

I wasn't there when she spoke to you. But what I have observed once every 4 
months for a longlong time was that:
It isn't the chairiot that offends "that Persons" sense of "the game" as 
much as the fact you have to inflict yourself and your visible issue... in a 
room where her eyes befall.
I (imho) do not believe it is your responsibility to alter your chairiots 
appearance to help prevent or preclude her from feeling queasy, or upsetting 
her claymation of how a modern non-profit organization with a flair for the 
medieval, should reflect off of her retina... Though .. it is fun to play 
with the appearance of a chairiot.  Samarrah's point of how and with what to 
festoon can be entertaining, but if ya wanna extreme-chairiot-make-over do 
it because it would better your fun not because she thinks you should. And! 
Scarves as you know are impossible to keep out of the spokes.
Bigotry brings out the anti-pooky in ME.
And MY Important point:  If she feels you lesson "The Game" by being there 
(cause ya can't be there without the chair) I HIGHLY doubt if she gave a 
moments thought to the other contributions you make by participating in our 
organization. Since she ways the validity of how she thinks you appear and 
critiques the validity of your participation, I am shocked and amazed (not 
really) that she would not think to herself that there might be some other 
redeeming quality that you might possess for which she should take into 
consideration before deciding how well you fit in.  If I were the Judge of 
whomever I saw in the room.... We would live in acceptance, peace, and 
harmony. Not like her.
My Experience: Yes this happened to us at least 4 times a year continuously 
a little less was said when she.. oh yea Baroness Mairin ferch Howell was 
graced with a Court Baronessy but she/We could still recognize the people 
who would look upon her with disdain.

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>Message: 2
>Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 12:33:56 -0600
>From: mikea <mikea at mikea.ath.cx>
>Subject: Re: [Namron] Dealing with period police
>To: Barony of Namron <namron at ansteorra.org>
>Message-ID: <20050109123356.A16002 at mikea.ath.cx>
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>On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 02:48:17AM -0600, Chass Brown wrote:
> > Prey tell how does everyone deal with the period police? The reason I am
> > asking is the last event we went to a lady in a very lovely gown 
>approached
> > me and started in telling me that my wheel chair was not period and I
> > shouldn't come to events in it. Now knowing I cant walk and have to have 
>my
> > chair (and have been working on a way to hide it and make it look like a
> > chariot) how would ye handle this lady? I took it as she was telling me 
>not
> > to come to events. No I don't know her name nor where she resides from 
>(yes
> > this happened at Protectorate) and welp I have mulled it over and not 
>gone
> > to events thinking this over. Suggestions?
> >
> >
> > Chass of Rundel of Ansteorra aka of the SCA aka
> > Charinthalis Del Sans of the portable Chariot
> > Honorable Recruiter of the House of the Red Shark (Have you seen my 
>Belaying
> > Pin??)
> > Maison Du Corsaire Rouge
> > Muddeler of Mead, Ailment of Ale, Whiner of wine.
>
>Greetings from Michael Fenwick.
>
>While you may find it difficult to ignore what this person said, you
>*can* -- and you *SHOULD* -- safely ignore the content. You also
>should hold it up to public ridicule, and her with it.
>
>First and foremost, she was 100% Out Of Line: she had no, repeat *NO*
>business saying anything about how you cope with your disability or
>disabilities.
>
>This person showed herself to be a damn fool; her actions deserve to
>be publicly exposed and held up to be ridiculed.
>
>It might interest you -- and her -- to know that my late and beloved
>wife, Mistress Roane Fairggae of Lochlann, Companion of the Ancient
>and Honorable Order of the Laurel, received her Laurel from the hands
>of Their Ansteorran Majesties *after* her body had betrayed her to the
>degree that she was forced to use a wheelchair. For about ten years,
>when Roane attended events, she attended them in her fully non-period
>wheelchair.
>
>My current wife uses hearing aids, sometimes uses a wheelchair
>because of back problems, and has a service dog to alert her to the
>many things she can't hear. Woe betide any, common, noble, Peer, or
>Royal, who is foolish enough to take her to task for any of those
>things, or to tell her that she is not allowed to have her service
>dog at any event.
>
>I can't say that I've had the pleasure of meeting you, or even of
>seeing you, but I *can* say that your wheelchair would in no way
>detract from my "period experience" at an event, any more than did
>Roane's or Lady Mairin's while we were fortunate enough to have their
>company. I also can -- and do -- say that I'll offer to help you with
>your chair or the things you need to move, if I happen to be in your
>company while you're moving from Point A to Point B.
>
>We no longer relegate the handicapped to back rooms, warehouses, the
>city gates, or the cathedral steps: they are not only permitted, but
>absolutely ENCOURAGED to take part in mainstream society, and the
>equipment and appliances they require for that participation is just
>as much a part of them as my glasses are of me: without them, I can't
>do a damn thing, and so could not attend and participate; I'd be bound
>to the house or dependent on the generosity of others.
>
>The Corpora requires you to make an attempt at pre-17th-century
>costume; it doesn't say anything about adaptive equipment, and that
>omission is completely by design.
>
>Now, I wonder some things about Miss Seamchecker:
>o	Did she ride a horse or carriage to the event?
>o	Did she hand-sew, or have hand-sewn, all her clothing?
>o	Was the sewing thread hand-spun from peiod materials?
>o	Was the needle hand-made?
>o	Was the fabric hand-woven to a period style from period materials
>	on a period -- and hand-made -- loom?
>o	Does she use only period vision correction: only spherical-
>	surfaced lenses, in metal, horn, bone, or tortoise-shell frames?
>o	Are her shoes made by hand from leather tanned by period methods
>	and sewn using only linen cobbler's thread?
>o	Does she use a period timepiece -- say, a Nuremberg Egg or
>	equivalent?
>o	Does she bind her breasts, rather than use a brassiere?
>o	Does her nether garment tie with a drawstring, rather than use
>	elastic?
>o	If her jewelry includes diamonds, are they rose-cut, rather than
>	brilliant- or square-cut?
>o	Does her _other_ jewelry use only stones cut in period styles?
>o	Does she use rags, rather than tampons or napkins, for menstrual
>	supplies?
>o	Does she go off her modern medications while at events? I suppose
>	that might explain some aspects of her behavior.
>
>That's only the short list; I could go on at considerable length.
>
>The best and only way to handle such "people" is to ridicule them
>publicly, in a loud voice: "Hey, everyone, Miss Seamchecker tells me
>I'm not supposed to be using this wheelchair! Can you _BELIEVE_ anyone
>would be stupid enough to say that?" And then you should ask her if
>she was born that stupid, or did she have to study: rudeness, like
>stupidity, is period, and blatant stupidity deserves a rude answer.
>
>--
>Mike Andrews	/	Michael Fenwick 	Barony of Namron, Ansteorra
>mikea at mikea.ath.cx
>Tired old music Laurel
>
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>Message: 3
>Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 10:41:24 -0800 (PST)
>From: Aline Swynbrook <alineswynbrook at yahoo.com>
>Subject: [Namron] Re: period police
>To: namron at ansteorra.org
>Message-ID: <20050109184125.76966.qmail at web51110.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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>Dear Chass,
>
>Calling this woman a lady should be taken as a sign of
>true class on your part.  She certainly has not earned
>the title (regardless what any scroll might say about
>her).
>
>In my off and on experience in the SCA (around nine
>years now, if you count the three year hiatus in
>college), I have never once seen anyone be "period
>perfect".  Inevitably, there is something everyone has
>that is somehow incorrect for the period, even those
>of us with history degrees (and I will admit, Late
>English Middle Ages is my third concentration on mine,
>not my first).
>
>If we were doing things entirely period, there would
>be no waterbearer's for fighting in melee/battle
>situations, and they certainly wouldn't profer
>Gatorade.  Glasses and contacts would be unheard of.
>So would the underwear I like to think many of us wear
>under our garb.  I would have to leave off my ankle
>braces when I was packing for events.  No modern
>medicines, no modern foods, and would we be allowed to
>cook in modern kitchen to have feasts at our events?
>
>The point is, we are the Society for Creative
>ANACHRONISM, and we recreate the period as closely as
>we can within reason and within the more pleasant
>aspects of the period (not so much the Inquisition,
>witch and heretic burnings, or the plague).  The are 9
>and 60 ways to play in the SCA, and every single one
>of them is right.
>
>So should someone every make such a comment again,
>ignore them for the ignoble way they behave and enjoy
>yourself.  Its your game as much as theirs and chances
>are, they have been out of period at least once today.
>
>In Service,
>Aline
>
>Post scriptus- should you wish to see how others have
>handled wheelchairs, check out the Florilegium under
>the topic, Disabilities,  http://www.florilegium.org/.
>
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>Message: 4
>Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 12:48:25 -0600
>From: "Duncan MacNamara" <duncan_macnamara at charter.net>
>Subject: Re: [Namron] Dealing with period police
>To: "Barony of Namron" <namron at ansteorra.org>
>Message-ID: <003a01c4f67b$cd9c0120$3ef3f018 at Archive>
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>Many people do not think my personna itself is period... do I care? no. in
>fact, I go out of my way on some things simply because I am antagonistic
>like that. Like my earrings... I have somewhere a depiction of Sir Francis
>Drake wearing pearl earrings. Mine aren't pearl, but you get the idea. They
>can't "prove" that they weren't worn. Or my encampment. If it looks good to
>me or my crew, we use it. We don't deliberate in committe for hours about
>it's period-ness. The true experience of the SCA isn't about slaving away
>for years and years to make sure everything is 100% "period". It's about
>having fun in the game, making an "attempt" at pre 17th century costume. if
>someone slaps on a tunic and wears modern blue jeans, shoes, etc... they've
>still made an attempt, with the tunic.
>
>tell 'em to bugger off.
>
>
>Do they nitpick at people who use modern coolers to keep their food from
>spoiling at events? No.
>What about the cars you see littering event sites? yes, they get asked to
>move them, but sometimes they are a neccesity.
>
>This *is* a GAME. Your wheelchair is as much a neccesity as someone else's
>glasses (which some styles of glasses are period)... or that one Knight 
>I've
>seen that has to use the crutch... I count you as a friend and would be
>remiss at not seeing you at events.
>
>Perhaps the person has tourettes syndrome... you know, the one where you
>spout off random obscene things?
>
>In any case, you are *always* welcome at my encampment.
>
>
>Lord Duncan MacNamara
>Captain of the Iron Lotus
>6th Champion of the Black Company
>Sometimes referred to as "the Pirate" or "crazy Duncan"
>
>
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>Message: 5
>Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 10:58:03 -0800 (PST)
>From: Samarrah bint Annaan <samarrah_bint_annaan at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [Namron] Dealing with period police
>To: Barony of Namron <namron at ansteorra.org>
>Message-ID: <20050109185803.9668.qmail at web53407.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
>Chass,
>
>I've been reading some of the posts and even went to
>the Florigellum page and read about decorating your
>chair...and there were some cute ideas!
>
>Perhaps you could tie some scarves and items to the
>chair a/la gypsey wagon and on the back attach a
>calligraphed sign reading "10th century or bust" or
>"If you don't like the way I drive my charriot...kiss
>my asp"...Medieval Bumper Stickers!
>
>We could have so much fun with that!  You should come
>to the bonfire and let the rabble come up with ideas!
>
>=====
>Samarrah bint Annaan, Princess of Pie Procurement
>
>God be with you in every pass. Jesus be with you on every hill. Spirit be 
>with you in every stream, headland, ridge and law, each sea and land, each 
>moor and meadow, lying down and rising up, in the trough of the waves or on 
>the crest of the billow. Each step of the journey you go, go with God.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 6
>Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 11:25:45 -0800 (PST)
>From: Samarrah bint Annaan <samarrah_bint_annaan at yahoo.com>
>Subject: [Namron] Possible Bumper Stickers for Chass' Chariot
>To: Namron Mailing List <namron at ansteorra.org>
>Message-ID: <20050109192545.79835.qmail at web53408.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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>
>  Moooooove, I'm trying to speed!
>
>    There are 2 types of pedestrians, the quick and the
>dead.
>
>  He who laughs last thinks slowest
>
>  Friends help you move; real friends help you move the
>body.
>
>If you can read this, I didn't hit you hard enough.
>
>  Abandon the search for Truth; settle for a good
>fantasy.
>
>  Before giving someone a piece of mind be sure you
>have enough to spare!
>
>  Boldly Going Nowhere
>
>Go ahead and Laugh...it's paid for!
>
>Don't make me go medieval on you...
>
>-Some people are only alive because it is illegal to
>kill.
>
>-You're about as subtle as an axe between the eyes.
>
>I'm out of bed and dressed, What more do you want?
>
>According to my calculations, the problem doesn't
>exist.
>
>If you can read this, I can hit my brakes and sue you.
>
>This is just a hobby. Perfection is not required. Fun
>is
>
>Wink, I'll do the rest!
>
>You show the sensitivity of a Medieval Dentist.
>
>I don't have a license to kill. I have a learner's
>permit.
>
>Gene Police: YOU!! Out of the pool!
>
>  My karma just ran over your dogma
>
>  Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. (Anything
>said in Latin sounds profound.)
>
>  Si hoc adfixum in obice leger potes, et liberaliter
>educatus et nimis propinquus ades. (If you can read
>this bumper sticker, you are both very well educated
>and far too close.)
>
>  Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are
>crunchy and taste good with ketchup
>
>
>
>
>=====
>Samarrah bint Annaan, Princess of Pie Procurement
>
>God be with you in every pass. Jesus be with you on every hill. Spirit be 
>with you in every stream, headland, ridge and law, each sea and land, each 
>moor and meadow, lying down and rising up, in the trough of the waves or on 
>the crest of the billow. Each step of the journey you go, go with God.
>
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>Message: 7
>Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 13:28:22 -0600
>From: "Chass Brown" <chass at allegiance.tv>
>Subject: Re: [Namron] Dealing with period police
>To: "Barony of Namron" <namron at ansteorra.org>
>Message-ID: <000601c4f681$623374d0$2502a8c0 at Catlord>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>	reply-type=original
>
>Well you know the little horses with the springs kids like to ride? I have
>one and we are working on a way to attach it to the chair and making 
>plastic
>covers to make it look more like a chariot and sine I am roman in persona.
>:) But any ideas would be welcome on how to make it stick.
>
>Chass of Rundel of Ansteorra aka of the SCA aka
>Charinthalis Del Sans of the portable Chariot
>Honorable Recruiter of the House of the Red Shark (Have you seen my 
>Belaying
>Pin??)
>Maison Du Corsaire Rouge
>Muddeler of Mead, Ailment of Ale, Whiner of wine.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Samarrah bint Annaan" <samarrah_bint_annaan at yahoo.com>
>To: "Barony of Namron" <namron at ansteorra.org>
>Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 12:58 PM
>Subject: Re: [Namron] Dealing with period police
>
>
> >
> > Chass,
> >
> > I've been reading some of the posts and even went to
> > the Florigellum page and read about decorating your
> > chair...and there were some cute ideas!
> >
> > Perhaps you could tie some scarves and items to the
> > chair a/la gypsey wagon and on the back attach a
> > calligraphed sign reading "10th century or bust" or
> > "If you don't like the way I drive my charriot...kiss
> > my asp"...Medieval Bumper Stickers!
> >
> > We could have so much fun with that!  You should come
> > to the bonfire and let the rabble come up with ideas!
> >
> > =====
> > Samarrah bint Annaan, Princess of Pie Procurement
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 8
>Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 13:30:50 -0600
>From: "Grimmie" <ldgrimhun at cox.net>
>Subject: Re: [Namron] Dealing with period police
>To: "Barony of Namron" <namron at ansteorra.org>
>Message-ID: <004501c4f681$ba8a5ae0$cdcd0c44 at oklahomas6ydgc>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>	reply-type=response
>
>On second thought Grimmie erased all he has written about the subject
>because as it is a family list. Setting here and biting my lip and drumming
>my fingers. GRRRRR!!!!!
>Grimising Grimmie
>
>
>
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>Message: 9
>Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 12:27:37 -0800 (PST)
>From: Sandy mensik <ladyelfseeker at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [Namron] Dealing with period police
>To: Barony of Namron <namron at ansteorra.org>
>Message-ID: <20050109202737.7295.qmail at web50605.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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>Personally,I would just ignore her.There are a lot of us who understand  
>that modern convieniences have to occur.Even those of us who have small 
>children at events know modern conviences are a necessity and we should not 
>give up something we enjoy because a few get haughty about it.
>  Something I intend to plan out as soon as i can afford it, is getting a 
>small goat cart and begin training a couple of pups to pull it tandem style 
>and getting them certified as service animals.
>  Definitely not completely period,but a lot easier than taking a pony to 
>events.
>  Cassie
>
>mikea <mikea at mikea.ath.cx> wrote:
>On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 02:48:17AM -0600, Chass Brown wrote:
> > Prey tell how does everyone deal with the period police? The reason I am
> > asking is the last event we went to a lady in a very lovely gown 
>approached
> > me and started in telling me that my wheel chair was not period and I
> > shouldn't come to events in it. Now knowing I cant walk and have to have 
>my
> > chair (and have been working on a way to hide it and make it look like a
> > chariot) how would ye handle this lady? I took it as she was telling me 
>not
> > to come to events. No I don't know her name nor where she resides from 
>(yes
> > this happened at Protectorate) and welp I have mulled it over and not 
>gone
> > to events thinking this over. Suggestions?
> >
> >
> > Chass of Rundel of Ansteorra aka of the SCA aka
> > Charinthalis Del Sans of the portable Chariot
> > Honorable Recruiter of the House of the Red Shark (Have you seen my 
>Belaying
> > Pin??)
> > Maison Du Corsaire Rouge
> > Muddeler of Mead, Ailment of Ale, Whiner of wine.
>
>Greetings from Michael Fenwick.
>
>While you may find it difficult to ignore what this person said, you
>*can* -- and you *SHOULD* -- safely ignore the content. You also
>should hold it up to public ridicule, and her with it.
>
>First and foremost, she was 100% Out Of Line: she had no, repeat *NO*
>business saying anything about how you cope with your disability or
>disabilities.
>
>This person showed herself to be a damn fool; her actions deserve to
>be publicly exposed and held up to be ridiculed.
>
>It might interest you -- and her -- to know that my late and beloved
>wife, Mistress Roane Fairggae of Lochlann, Companion of the Ancient
>and Honorable Order of the Laurel, received her Laurel from the hands
>of Their Ansteorran Majesties *after* her body had betrayed her to the
>degree that she was forced to use a wheelchair. For about ten years,
>when Roane attended events, she attended them in her fully non-period
>wheelchair.
>
>My current wife uses hearing aids, sometimes uses a wheelchair
>because of back problems, and has a service dog to alert her to the
>many things she can't hear. Woe betide any, common, noble, Peer, or
>Royal, who is foolish enough to take her to task for any of those
>things, or to tell her that she is not allowed to have her service
>dog at any event.
>
>I can't say that I've had the pleasure of meeting you, or even of
>seeing you, but I *can* say that your wheelchair would in no way
>detract from my "period experience" at an event, any more than did
>Roane's or Lady Mairin's while we were fortunate enough to have their
>company. I also can -- and do -- say that I'll offer to help you with
>your chair or the things you need to move, if I happen to be in your
>company while you're moving from Point A to Point B.
>
>We no longer relegate the handicapped to back rooms, warehouses, the
>city gates, or the cathedral steps: they are not only permitted, but
>absolutely ENCOURAGED to take part in mainstream society, and the
>equipment and appliances they require for that participation is just
>as much a part of them as my glasses are of me: without them, I can't
>do a damn thing, and so could not attend and participate; I'd be bound
>to the house or dependent on the generosity of others.
>
>The Corpora requires you to make an attempt at pre-17th-century
>costume; it doesn't say anything about adaptive equipment, and that
>omission is completely by design.
>
>Now, I wonder some things about Miss Seamchecker:
>o Did she ride a horse or carriage to the event?
>o Did she hand-sew, or have hand-sewn, all her clothing?
>o Was the sewing thread hand-spun from peiod materials?
>o Was the needle hand-made?
>o Was the fabric hand-woven to a period style from period materials
>on a period -- and hand-made -- loom?
>o Does she use only period vision correction: only spherical-
>surfaced lenses, in metal, horn, bone, or tortoise-shell frames?
>o Are her shoes made by hand from leather tanned by period methods
>and sewn using only linen cobbler's thread?
>o Does she use a period timepiece -- say, a Nuremberg Egg or
>equivalent?
>o Does she bind her breasts, rather than use a brassiere?
>o Does her nether garment tie with a drawstring, rather than use
>elastic?
>o If her jewelry includes diamonds, are they rose-cut, rather than
>brilliant- or square-cut?
>o Does her _other_ jewelry use only stones cut in period styles?
>o Does she use rags, rather than tampons or napkins, for menstrual
>supplies?
>o Does she go off her modern medications while at events? I suppose
>that might explain some aspects of her behavior.
>
>That's only the short list; I could go on at considerable length.
>
>The best and only way to handle such "people" is to ridicule them
>publicly, in a loud voice: "Hey, everyone, Miss Seamchecker tells me
>I'm not supposed to be using this wheelchair! Can you _BELIEVE_ anyone
>would be stupid enough to say that?" And then you should ask her if
>she was born that stupid, or did she have to study: rudeness, like
>stupidity, is period, and blatant stupidity deserves a rude answer.
>
>--
>Mike Andrews / Michael Fenwick Barony of Namron, Ansteorra
>mikea at mikea.ath.cx
>Tired old music Laurel
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