[Namron] Re: Scathach

[Scott Barrett]

Even in cases where the parentage is well known, sometimes you see 
physical descriptions. Kennedy in the Old Irish meant "rough" or "ugly 
headed". That one is my favorite. This may (academic guesswork, I'm not 
certain, here....) have come about due to the accepted practice of 
children being adopted by higher born clan members for various reasons, 
such as the parents are ill or must travel or were slain, etc. Chances 
are, names were given by either the birth parent or patron.

On Friday, May 20, 2005, at 11:42 AM, el2iot2 at mail.com wrote:

> What would happen if the child was born "out of wedlock".  there 
> wouldn't really be a Patrinymic to use, as the father may not be known 
> or acknowledged.  Are there period examples to illistrate this 
> situation?  did the mother just make one up?
>
> joy
> Radei
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Barrett" <barrett1 at cox.net>
> To: "Barony of Namron" <namron at ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Namron] Re: Scathach
> Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 10:56:32 -0500
>
>>
>> Oh it happened, but was extremely rare and apparently there is no
>> known example before 1200 AD.
>> One I found was Bonner, which was Matronymic, but also was very
>> late period and had Scottish influence. In fact, I even found a
>> letter of SCA heraldic commentary wherein someone tried "daughter
>> of Fhionnaghula" and it bounced.
>> Google Irish Matronymics and you should see plenty of stuff.
>>
>> Finnacan Dub (pronounced Finnegan Duff)
>>
>> On Thursday, May 19, 2005, at 10:32 AM, Foster, Shadow ((HSC)) wrote:
>>
>>> I remember reading somewhere that there were circumstances where
>>> the mother's line, rather than the father's was used.  Somewhere
>>> in the site does research that is more stringent than the SCA.
>>> Does this ring a bell for anyone else?
>>> Shadow
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> You would reference the father's name, not the mothers.
>>>   Ireland had more rights for women under Brehon law when compared to
>>> most any other country in that timeframe, but the patriach was still
>>> remembered in the name. If the father was Fionn, you, being a lady,
>>> would be Ua Fionn (O' Finn).
>>> Otherwise, give yourself a qualifier that is self-descriptive.
>>>
>>> ~Finnacan Dub (pronounced Finnegan Duff)
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 19, 2005, at 09:16 AM, Foster, Shadow ((HSC)) wrote:
>>>
>>>> So how would Scathach, daughter of Fionnaghula, be used as a name?
>>>> Shadow
>>>
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