[Namron] Guild of Camillus de Lellis

Tue Sep 27 07:20:32 PDT 2005

Isobel, 

Please do not be discouraged or disheartened.  I
believe you have every good intention in creation of
this Guild and I for one would be interested, perhaps,
in participating as I have been diagnosed with
Degenerative Disk Disease and have spent the last
three years trying to learn how best to deal with
physical pain.

I'm sure those who are concerned about titles and all
do not mean to shoot your good works down.  As is
necessary, all large groups require some form of order
to keep chaos at bay. These fine fellows, I'm sure,
are not trying to correct out of any feeling of
unkindness, but seek to be sure that no one else could
find fault with your works and hamper it due to a
technicality.  In other words, they are merely trying
to help.  Don't let any of this get you down.  We can
call you MOTHER, or something similar, as it appears
that this guild is one of a nurturing variety. ;o)

Bureacracy and Order are a necessary evil, I'm afraid,
and we can't let it get us down or turn us from the
important work at hand.  As Shakespear once said, A
rose, by any other name, should smell as sweet.   That
aspect of the guild should be the least of your
worries.  Mum, Angel, Governess, all good titles to be
sure!

Keep your chin up...no worries...we are all in this
together! 

Your friend, 
Samarrah
--- Isobel de Kirkbryde <kirkbryde at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thank you for your input.  However, this doesn't
> address people who are called Master of Children or
> Mistress of A&S which are NOT given by crown.
> 
> As far as the Guild, the idea is to create the
> environment in which your lovely lady plays in.  For
> that to happen, there are people who need to be
> educated.  And, even though I also have the
> wonderful
> opportunity to play in Namron, there are times when
> I
> don't know how best to support my fellow SCAdians
> who
> have afflictions.  That is what this guild is about
> not putting a scarlet letter around someone's neck
> who
> doesn't want one.
> 
> I find this frustrating.  Once again, I have tried
> to
> do something I thought would be beneficial and help
> our Barony and the kingdom to be shot down.  Sigh!
> 
> I'll remove that from my signature line and I won't
> bring it up again.  Sorry for the attempt to help. 
> Apparently I was just being a helpful Henry. 
> 
> Isobel
> 
> --- vortmax at cox.net wrote:
> 
> > (key on)
> > 
> > I would also refer to Corpora, Appendix A, pp.
> > 23-24:
> > 
> > "2. The Society’s standard titles are defined in
> (4)
> > below. The Society 
> > recognizes that equivalent titles from other
> > cultures may be more appropriate 
> > for individual members. Such alternate titles may
> be
> > used by those entitled to 
> > the rank or award associated with them, provided
> the
> > College of Arms has 
> > ruled that the title in question is an equivalent
> > for the rank or award in 
> > question. All standard and alternate titles are
> > specific to the Society, and 
> > convey no rank or precedence outside it. They may
> be
> > used in a Society 
> > context only by those who have achieved the
> > appropriate rank or award 
> > within the Society. 
> > 
> > ..
> > 
> > 4. The titles listed here are considered standard,
> > and may be used by those 
> > who have earned or been granted the appropriate
> rank
> > or award within the 
> > Society. The College of Arms publishes a more
> > extensive list of titles and 
> > alternative forms, which may also be used freely
> by
> > qualified persons. In 
> > addition, the College of Arms has full approval
> > authority over new alternative 
> > titles, which must be added to their list before
> > being released for use in the 
> > Society. 
> > 
> > ...
> > 
> > Master/Mistress:   Members of the Orders of the
> > Laurel, the Pelican, 
> > and Mastery of Arms. "
> > 
> > To summarize:  it may not be appropriate to refer
> to
> > one's self as a "master/
> > mistress" until a decree from the Crown has been
> > issued allowing one to be 
> > named as such.
> > 
> > (key off)
> > 
> > Speaking as someone married to one who is
> > "afflicted," this guild might be 
> > not be welcomed by everyone with a disability.  As
> > has been pointed out, 
> > Namron has welcomed with open arms those with
> > disabilities and treated 
> > them like equals.  In particular, my wife enjoys
> the
> > SCA because it allows her 
> > to become "that lady who plays the harp" or "that
> > lady who creates and wears 
> > wonderful Elizabethan garb," not "that lady with
> the
> > terrible affliction whom 
> > we must give special consideration and treatment."
> > 
> > Just something to think about.
> > 
> > ---
> > Lord Thomas of Weathershear
> > (m.k.a. Brad Stanley)
> > Seneschal Namron
> > 
> > 
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> 
> 
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