[Namron] Fundraiser at populace meeting

Michael Coone felemid.macphail at gmail.com
Fri Jan 27 17:36:53 PST 2012

*raffles .....still does not mean... i want to have one ..... just did some
research  *

can not find anything in our kingdom by laws outlawing raffles ... only
thing listing in national by laws is *interstate raffles* and *any place it
is not permitted by law of land *...
but it is misleading because the tittle of the subsection of prohibited
activities is raffles .. but then it goes on to list only interstate
raffles ... or where banded by local laws ... and in laws they are required
to define what something is... and all things that are not that item as
defined in the law are permitted ... I.E. if the SCA wants to ban raffles
... they need to write the by law saying no form of raffle permitted like
they did with fireworks ... you can not buy sell or own fireworks ..... but
as the law does not say ignite fireworks ...it is still legal to set them
off if you do not buy sell or own them ... lets say Bob owns them and says
you can light them...  as long as Bob is not a SCA member... you can set
them off with out effecting your SCA member status .... Fire Marshal
problems maybe totally different matter ... lol... one of the major
problems with law is .... the letter of the law is what wins out in the end
... that is why you take time when writing them.... the spirit of the
law.... may give birth to the law ....but when it is all said and done ....
how it is written is what matters.

here is copy of by law ....
Amended January 24, 2009*
Interstate raffles are prohibited. Raffle tickets may not be sold in
localities where such a sale would conflict with contemporary law.
The purchase, ownership or sale of fireworks is prohibited.*

that is only listing when searching for raffle in by laws .... still does
not mean i want to have one .....but there seams to be some debate on legal
or not ...i have seen raffles at an event in kingdom that was open to non
members ....meaning open to public  ( that 5 buck charge at gate gives them
away ) so that gave me the impression that was normal ... then asking about
med fair ... as someone who does know ... just moved here ,,, and not read
the contract ... to many groups forget there are new people i drove to med
fair planing ... and when they called for the start of meeting .. walked
in.... and waited for it to start ... no one told me meeting was in back
room ... so i drove 25 bucks in gas out to attend a meeting that happened
with out me ... 20 feet away ... so this has become my form of contact
...if you make a claim that i can look up .... i will ....if you give a job
i will do it to best of my abilities ....if i make mistakes i take my lumps
and say sorry ... but in return if you are to be a lord or lady ... knight
or marshal .... or any officer ... i feel i can expect somethings from them
for holding this rank... it is okay to say.... i don't know... but i will
get back to you ... and then follow through .... no one likes being a
mushroom .... (kept in dark and fed on crap) .... i ask stupid questions
because they are not stupid ... i ask because i don't have the answers.....
and most times i ask the people that should have answer or ...if anyone
knows who might have answers ...

Felemid MacPhail ...
MKA Mike Coone

On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Michael Coone
<felemid.macphail at gmail.com>wrote:

> i was just stating that the raffle was legal.... *not that we where doing
> one* ...*. or was even possible by our contract or by laws* ..... someone
> else stated they where illegal and that was not the case ... and next time
> i attend an event that has a raffle ... to help out on something ..... i
> will be sure to remind everyone how this was addressed to me and not donate
> a dam thing to it ...hope the money raised at Yule to help Camp
> Cimmeron(not sure how to spell it ) was approved and not breaking policies
> .... the only reason i even said anything is it started off with fund
> raising idea for pop meeting ...  ... and i simply asked few question has
> had it met with many people rehashing  "no's" ( they also where polite
> about it) and making an incorrect statement that took 5 minutes  to find
> out with state laws online ... and free to research .... .. and the posting
> of 2 of my statements back to back because i failed to notice first one
> was still in outbox .... so i posted right after explaining why.... "i sent
> the post about raffle..... after was stated that would not work ..." based
> on information that i had got from the group at that time...
> raffles by state law it is not questionable (unless you are questioning
> those who would be in charge of them).... by policy ...i have not
> researched ... that is why i asked and left it at no  .... if you read my
> post ....but to send the message the way you have ...comes across as both
> hostile and demanding ... i don't know who you are and if you have a title
> (answering on behalf of the SCA as a whole) that gives you the power to
> make statements like that .... but i do not think kindly of it ... if that
> was not you intentions ... then i am sorry .......but if it was ... then i
> am also sorry because this kind of behavior hurts more then someone
> feelings ... it hurts the group ....
> Felemid MacPhail ...
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 1:58 PM, William FitzBubba <fitzbubba at gmail.com>wrote:
>> Not a raffle.  Period.  Not only is it questionable with respect to state
>> laws, but it violates Society Financial Policy.  Find another way.
>> Care,
>> Bubba
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