NR - Principality name

[Marc Carlson]

At 01:46 PM 9/8/00 -0500, Tadhg wrote:
>>Normally, that's true. But we have the luxury of trying to get them to jibe from
>>the beginning.

Of course then you get the question of whether they should or not.  Looking at the 
armory of most if not all *real* European nations.  The name and the armory have
nothing to do with each other.

>>And Pug's point is well taken, we are not here to decide what will be used...

I don't recall anyone suggesting that we were.  From my perspective this is a 
discussion, just like we as a group might be having at an event, in someone's
home, whatever.  The people who should make the decisions in this case are
the people, and they will have that chance if the question ever arises.

>>"Nordsteorra", while a fine name, and is being used
>>>by some people for the Northern Region, has two 
>>>drawbacks.  The first, and really the least important, 
>>>is that it is a permanent link to Ansteorra, and if 
>>>the ultimate long term goal is to be anything but the 
>>>provincial northern appendage of Ansteorra
>>>(as some people seem to think it is), the name needs to 
>>>reflect the identity that you want people to remember.  
>>Two things: 1) I believe most of the people on this list who support
>>Principality also oppose Kingdom...they want a Principality and still remain
>>Ansteorran 

Did I *say* kingdom?  I was referring to anything from having a stronger 
regional identity, which is where this discussion sprang from, to anywhere
on up the line that people wanted to take it.  Perhaps I didn't make that
clear enough - I apologize for that.

Personally, and for the record, I don't care one way or the other about
principality or kingdom, whether anyone aims for them or not, whether the
region goes for that or not.  What sparked my interest in this whole dialogue
what the concept that was raised of looking for a definitive regional identity - 
regardless of anything else.

>and 2) there is a lot to say about being a northern
>appendage...that's where my head sits...not much I can do without it.

It may have sounded a bit blunt, but it's been obvious to me for many, many 
years, that *Ansteorra* is the south, and the rest of us are only part of the
Kingdom because of the mundane state lines.  Realistically, we're in the 
periphery and that isn't going to change.  I've long since gotten over any
annoyance or disappointment that I might have felt about it - it just is.  
The precedents were set and the core identity established a long time ago
(by people who, for the most part, were trying to do the best they could),
and crying about that outcome is pointless. 

>They called it "Llano Estacado"...the Staked Plains. When the Spaniards traveled
>>through these parts (being Oklahoma, Texas and New Mexico), the landscape was so
>>devoid of markings they could easily become lost. So they would drive large
>>wooden stakes into the ground to help them navigate. I'd have to go check my
>>history as to how great an area that name was used for...but I believe it
>>included at least the western half of Oklahoma.

I think you're right.  I'll look into it and check.

Marc/Diarmaid

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