NK - it is a quiet day in the neighborhood

Addington, Debbie, A daaddington at saintfrancis.com
Fri May 5 08:23:16 PDT 2000

well....alright, it was my understanding that there were two, but i am an
open minded person who doesnt mind having a few better written facts thrown
on my face.  its better than egg.  :)
I am just learning about these various orders and such.  my father was
heathen along the asatru/norse lines he refered to it as the old religion.
supposedly he learned from his dad etc etc.  he never had a book or anything
like that and he didnt make things happen so to speak either.  my mother was
southern baptist, from the mountains of shallow valley, tn.  mountain magic
w/ herbal healing and a christian base.  superstitious lot they are.
I tried church, read the bible and well.....lets just say it aint my cup of

as for you being a good catholic, hats off to you.  lots of ceremonial magic
in that.  IMO

i think we all have someone in our families at one point or another in
history that were catholic.  If anything else, it was a reason to keep your
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Marc Carlson [SMTP:marc-carlson at utulsa.edu]
> Sent:	Friday, May 05, 2000 9:37 AM
> To:	Northkeep at ansteorra.org
> Subject:	RE: NK - it is a quiet day in the neighborhood
> At 06:50 AM 5/5/00 -0500, Maidenhair wrote:
> >from what i have read there is an older golden dawn, and then there is
> the
> >Hermetic order of the golden dawn, this is the newer one which the
> >alexandrian and gardnerian traditions come off of.  The Golden Dawn
> itself
> >is more late renasance.
> Um, no.  The Gardnerian tradition, of which the Alexandrian is a further 
> derivation has nothing to do with any version of the Golden Dawn.  The 
> English order that came about in 1888 alleged to have derived grom an
> older 
> German version, of which no evidence exists.
> If you are interested in this section of history, there are several really
> good works out there, both on the history of the Golden Dawn and on the 
> origins of 20th century witchcraft.  One of the best, and the most recent,
> is Ronald Hutton's _Triumph of the Moon_, which JUST came out.  I know
> that
> both Barnes and Noble and Borders have carried it recently.  Elic Howe,
> _The 
> magicians of the Golden Dawn: a documentary history of a magical order, 
> 1887-1923_ is also -very- good.  Nearly impossible to find these days,
> and not without its flaws, but still worth reading, is Aiden Kelly's
> _Crafting
> the Art of Magic_.
> Ok, I can find a book by bishop Gottskálk, but it doesn't have those
> names.
>  It's the _Morðbréfabæklingur_ (1592), and is only owned by the University
> of Victoria library,
> but I'll keep an eye out for these.
> Marc (since Diarmaid's a good Catholic boy and doesn't know anything about
> these things)

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