NK - it is a quiet day in the neighborhood
Addington, Debbie, A
daaddington at saintfrancis.com
Fri May 5 08:23:16 PDT 2000
well....alright, it was my understanding that there were two, but i am an
open minded person who doesnt mind having a few better written facts thrown
on my face. its better than egg. :)
I am just learning about these various orders and such. my father was
heathen along the asatru/norse lines he refered to it as the old religion.
supposedly he learned from his dad etc etc. he never had a book or anything
like that and he didnt make things happen so to speak either. my mother was
southern baptist, from the mountains of shallow valley, tn. mountain magic
w/ herbal healing and a christian base. superstitious lot they are.
I tried church, read the bible and well.....lets just say it aint my cup of
as for you being a good catholic, hats off to you. lots of ceremonial magic
in that. IMO
i think we all have someone in our families at one point or another in
history that were catholic. If anything else, it was a reason to keep your
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marc Carlson [SMTP:marc-carlson at utulsa.edu]
> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 9:37 AM
> To: Northkeep at ansteorra.org
> Subject: RE: NK - it is a quiet day in the neighborhood
> At 06:50 AM 5/5/00 -0500, Maidenhair wrote:
> >from what i have read there is an older golden dawn, and then there is
> >Hermetic order of the golden dawn, this is the newer one which the
> >alexandrian and gardnerian traditions come off of. The Golden Dawn
> >is more late renasance.
> Um, no. The Gardnerian tradition, of which the Alexandrian is a further
> derivation has nothing to do with any version of the Golden Dawn. The
> English order that came about in 1888 alleged to have derived grom an
> German version, of which no evidence exists.
> If you are interested in this section of history, there are several really
> good works out there, both on the history of the Golden Dawn and on the
> origins of 20th century witchcraft. One of the best, and the most recent,
> is Ronald Hutton's _Triumph of the Moon_, which JUST came out. I know
> both Barnes and Noble and Borders have carried it recently. Elic Howe,
> magicians of the Golden Dawn: a documentary history of a magical order,
> 1887-1923_ is also -very- good. Nearly impossible to find these days,
> and not without its flaws, but still worth reading, is Aiden Kelly's
> the Art of Magic_.
> Ok, I can find a book by bishop Gottskálk, but it doesn't have those
> It's the _Morðbréfabæklingur_ (1592), and is only owned by the University
> of Victoria library,
> but I'll keep an eye out for these.
> Marc (since Diarmaid's a good Catholic boy and doesn't know anything about
> these things)
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