[Northkeep] New Project, data gathering
zahavabathannah at yahoo.com
Fri Nov 30 08:28:19 PST 2001
A line in what Dairmaid wrote struck a chord in me...
"I am not looking to hurt people, or to get people
angry. But if things from a decade or so ago can
still affect how people respond, or respond to
the group today -- and the average age of most members
is less than three years, maybe it would be fair to
tell them WHY people are acting such a way,
or these decisions were made. That's the purpose of
Because the old addage is not just an old addage..."if
you forget your history you are doomed to repeate it."
I am lucky enough to be young enough not to remember
the bad times. But I want to thank Dairmaid for being
strong enough to take on such a task.
--- Marc Carlson <marccarlson20 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> READ THIS FIRST! PAY ATTENTION! Respond to me at
> MARCCARLSON20 at HOTMAIL.COM
> or Marc-Carlson at UTULSA.EDU. Questions and asking
> for clarification can come
> to the list, but the information I am asking for
> should not.
> I have discussed this with the other officers, and
> since none of them have
> made little squealy guineapigs sounds of fear (at
> least not where I can hear
> them), I'll pass this along. You may feel free to
> forward this to whomever
> you wish.
> After some long discussions and thought, I've
> decided to work on a history
> of the group - generally what happened, when, and
> why this was important to
> the group. Yes, a general history was compiled when
> we became a Barony -
> but this was some time back and is badly out of
> date. Worse, it's a helpful
> tool, but historically tells us nothing.
> There is no mention made of the events that were
> taking place that were
> important to people. Ultimately, what I want to do
> is compile a history
> that addresses the past in such a way that (in those
> rare occasions when two
> people or groups were in conflict) both would be
> able to agree with what I
> have said.
> To give a non-SCA example, we can look at the "Tulsa
> Race Riot" -- an
> emotionally charged event that people have been
> fighting over for some time
> now -- mostly with arguements of "it's their fault"
> and "no, it's their
> fault". The basic facts (Mob action leading to
> rioting, the next morning a
> portion of the population was rounded up and where
> they lived was razed by
> fire. People died) are not in dispute, it's the
> details that people are
> fighting over.
> What I need from people to do this, at this point,
> is information. Ideally
> I want to hear from everyone who was around -- that
> means I'm going to have
> to track some of these people down. Otherwise, if
> you want to pass this
> along to them, be my guest. The more information I
> can get from people, the
> less likely this will turn out to be "oh that's
> Diarmaid's version - it's
> If you want to participate, or know of anyone who
> would, the URL for the
> basic timeline of the history that was compiled back
> for the Baronial thing
> is at http://northkeep.ansteorra.org/history1.html.
> I've got that. It is somewhat different from *MY*
> version of the events,
> which I've already written. What I want is -your-
> version of the events -
> and hers, and his, and theirs. If you have
> documentation to support what
> you say, great. If you just have what you saw, or
> even what you just heard
> -- cool, all I ask is that you tell me that.
> I may come back later with questions. If you say
> that So-and-So did this
> and that - you might want to tell me if you saw it
> or just heard about it.
> In this case, "I just heard about it" is ok (I know
> that's a reversal of how
> I normally handle things, but it's the difference
> between dealing with
> people today, and trying to see what motivated
> people in the past).
> I am not looking to hurt people, or to get people
> angry. But if things from
> a decade or so ago can still affect how people
> respond, or respond to the
> group today -- and the average age of most members
> is less than three years,
> maybe it would be fair to tell them WHY people are
> acting such a way, or
> these decisions were made. That's the purpose of
> For those people who don't live here, but are now,
> or have in the past
> played here, I want to hear from you too. I want to
> hear from people who
> have had some connection to Northkeep (and yes, that
> includes Bison's Run
> and Rundel and other emergent groups in the
> Northkeep region).
> All response will be kept confidential, unless I
> talk to the responder
> As a second, less controversial thing
> http://northkeep.ansteorra.org/history2.html is a
> listing of officers over
> time. I know I've left people out, am missing dates
> for some, gotten orders
> mixed up. Please let me know about it.
> Thank you.
> (Yes, we have a historian, and that's not me. I
> -am- a historian and will
> be dealing with her as I do this.)
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