[Northkeep] Fw: [mooneschadowe] Commentary results

[Mercedes/Stephanie]

Diethelm's device is in the June LOI - Mooneschadowe did a commentary on it
last night........

Rosamund/Etienne/Masamune - it might be neat to see the results of a
commenting after you'd done one.......

Mercedes
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Subject: [mooneschadowe] Commentary results



Many MANY thanks to all the people who braved the rain to come to the
heraldry meeting tonight!  It was far more than I had hoped for. We
should do this again next month. :)

For those interested, here's the final copy of the commentary I typed
up. (Well, the final final version I'll email to Estrill, so it'll
include the nicer formating and such.)

-Emma


11 JUN 2003

Unto HL Estrill Swet, Retiarius Herald, from the glorious yet tiny Shire
of Mooneschadowe, come greetings:

Herein please find our commentary on the Internal Letter of Intent
2003-06.

Present at our meeting were Emma de Fetherstan, Estrill Swet, Gilyan
Alionora Clonmacnoise, Jean Paul de Sens, Lilas MacGuffin, Magdalena da
Cadamosto, Oxlade Lachlann Mackinnon, Marke von Mainz, Phoebe Hotham,
Wolfger von Sibenburgen, and new heraldic converts Dustin, Kent, Alexis,
and Jinny.  Armory checked against the online OandA.

1) Aimée Long Coeur.  (Steppes)
[device]
Whips look more like brooms. The enflaming seems to loose itself in the
purpure background, and looks more like "a semy of flames" rather than
enflamed.  No conflicts found.

2) Brénainn Mac Giolla Phádraig.  (Steppes)
[device]
Is this perhaps too allusive of the St Brenainn voyage to the new world
story?  No conflicts found.

3) Brénainn Mac Giolla Phádraig.  (Steppes)
[badge]
No conflicts found.

4) Brenna Branwynn Garrett.  (Namron)
[name]
See the Problem Names report on "Brianna, Branna, Brenna, and Brenda" at
http://www.medievalscotland.org/problem/names/brianna.shtml.  However,
the Italian documentation should be fine.

Should be "Branwen" if it's female... but in any case, see the Problem
Names report on "Branwen, Bronwen and the Like" at
http://www.medievalscotland.org/problem/names/branwen.shtml.

An Italian-English mix is considered a "weirdness", but is registerable.
Unfortunately, removing the Branwynn name element is a major change, and
so this name must be returned.

[device]
The chevron needs to be drawn larger, and higher on the field, and the
position of the stars should be blazoned explicitly (suggestion: move
them all to be in fess in chief).  There's only one fleur-de-lys, not
multiple (typo?)

5) Charles le cervoìsier d'Alsace.  (Ravensfort)
[device]
This plant is not really identifiable as a hop -- so says our resident
brewer who has some growing in his back yard. No conflicts found.

6) Diethelm Waltorfer.  (Northkeep)
[device]
Good armory! No conflicts found.

7) Gaelan Padraig Garrett.  (Namron)
[name]
Gaelan hasn't been registered at all.  ("Galan" has, but.)  Since this
submitter requested no major changes, this is unfortunately returnable.

[device]
You can't charge the fret with the star, and the star can't really be
overall either.  This is unblazonable, and cause for return.

8) Hubert D'Aigués-Mortes.  (Glaslyn)
[name]
Hubert found Dauzat Nom de famile on p533 s.n. Hubert: nom de baptist
Aigues-Mortes found in Dauzat Nom de Lieux on p5 s.n. Aiguebelette:
Aigues-Mortes, cant. Gard (Aquae mortuae 1248)

9) Jaques the Spinks.  (Glaslyn)
[name]
Spinks found in R&W p421 s.n. Spink

[device]
"6 lines"?  If this was supposed to be a barry argent and sable field,
there would still be problems with the arrow on a chief argent, since
that shares a tincture with the field.

10) Joseph Thomas.  (Steppes)
[device]
Rather busy, with a complexity count of 7, but no conflicts found.

11) Máirghréad inghean Bhrídein.  (Steppes)
[device]
No conflicts found, but we wonder about the registerability of the
yin-yang (tai-chi) symbol, which was last registered in 1999.  Note that
this is a per bend sinister, not per bend.

13) Mea Cornaro.  (Glaslyn)
[name]
Cornaro found in Fucilla Our Italian Surnames on p167.

14) Medb ni' Loughlin.  (Glaslyn)
[name]
Report #1333 is for Loughlin, and report #1868 is for Medb. Medb is the
proper spelling for pre-1200; afterwards it was Meadhbh.  Loughlin is
the English spelling of Lochlainn.  There is a conflict with Meadhbha
nic Lochlainn (Caid, Dec 1998)

15) Melissent d'Aulnay.  (Glaslyn)
[device]
Should this be blazoned as Argent, a unicorn and on a chief purpure,
three fleurs-de-lys argent? No conflicts found.

16) Roana Fitzstephen.  (Glaslyn)
[device]
Return for appearance of marshalling (no matter the blazon).

17) Zoe du Murat.  (Ravensfort)
[device]
An overwhelming number of the group felt this was pictorial heraldry,
and as such should be returned.  No conflicts found.



--
Jennifer Smith
jds at randomgang.com

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